salou4 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Excellent news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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-Boomer- Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 And Labour had thirteen years to re-awaken them. What happened? And the tories had 18 years previously and at least 10 years this time, more than double Labour, and the tories still have no plans to re-awaken them ---------- Post added 10-05-2015 at 08:16 ---------- It's all kicking off then http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32679827 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anti-tory-protests-live-updates-5670515 http://yournewswire.com/anti-tory-rally-has-started-in-london/#riot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff1johnny Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Tell you one thing is strange, labour's vote share up 1.5% tories only 0.8%, we have an unfair voting system. I don't like Nigel Farage, but he got four times the vote of the SNP, and recieved one seat, and SNP got 59. Labour should have complained more about the toreis, instead of becoming more tory like, thats why snp got loads of votes in Scotland, they spoke as an opposition, not people who were mildly irritated by tory policies. he should have taken Nicola sturgeon up on her offer to keep the tories out and maybe more people would have voted for them. By saying no deal, he dealt himself out of Westminister Edited May 10, 2015 by sheff1johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Tell you one thing is strange, labour's vote share up 1.5% tories only 0.8%, we have an unfair voting system. I don't like Nigel Farage, but he got four times the vote of the SNP, and recieved one seat, and SNP got 59. Labour should have complained more about the toreis, instead of becoming more tory like, thats why snp got loads of votes in Scotland, they spoke as an opposition, not people who were mildly irritated by tory policies. Indeed. And judging by the contributions of Mandelson this morning, his answer was for Labour to effectively out Tory the Tories, except be much more Euro friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubermaus Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Indeed. And judging by the contributions of Mandelson this morning, his answer was for Labour to effectively out Tory the Tories, except be much more Euro friendly. Labour have to go more centre ground..see chuka ummuna made a statement about how they lost the middle.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 [/color]It's all kicking off then http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32679827 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/anti-tory-protests-live-updates-5670515 http://yournewswire.com/anti-tory-rally-has-started-in-london/#riot All I would say to rioters and protesters is there has just been an election and as a result.......http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/32332868.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Labour have to go more centre ground..see chuka ummuna made a statement about how they lost the middle.. In Scotland they lost the left. See the amount of abuse the Labour candidates were getting up there about being 'red tories' In England Labour were seen as too left wing. Mandleson and Chukka can bleat all they want but if they had shifted back into New Labour territory then defeat in Scotland was even more inevitable. They may have 250 seats now at best but the Tories would still have got 315+ and enough with DUP support to form a government. Nothing was really lost by Labour's attempt to be truer to its roots. Miliband has nothing to apologise to Mandelson for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salou4 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 In Scotland they lost the left. See the amount of abuse the Labour candidates were getting up there about being 'red tories' The way the protesters harassed Jim Murphy last week was appalling. Unfortunately that seems to be the tactics of the hard left, if you can't win the argument, intimidate the opposition. Labour have got a big dilemma but its been there for years, go to the left or go to the centre. All I've heard since Friday is Blairites pointing out that he is the only Labour leader to have actually won an election for 40 years, so it would seem sensible to follow that lead. However, Milliband was meant to be a move away from Blair as it was felt he had abandoned their core vote. And yet others think he too, (Milliband) didn't represent the core vote. How do they square that circle? My guess is that some time in the future the party will split with a new left wing party, and the centralists merging with the LibDems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubermaus Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 In Scotland they lost the left. See the amount of abuse the Labour candidates were getting up there about being 'red tories' In England Labour were seen as too left wing. Mandleson and Chukka can bleat all they want but if they had shifted back into New Labour territory then defeat in Scotland was even more inevitable. They may have 250 seats now at best but the Tories would still have got 315+ and enough with DUP support to form a government. Nothing was really lost by Labour's attempt to be truer to its roots. Miliband has nothing to apologise to Mandelson for. I think chukka is positioning himself as the new poster boy of labour politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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