tzijlstra Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Picked this up in another thread and thought it was worthy making a new thread about: "I paid into the system, so I should get something back". I've noticed it ever since I moved here, people really do feel entitled to public money, whether it is the NHS, benefits or pensions, but if that is the case, shouldn't people who paid more into the system be getting more out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 shouldn't people who paid more into the system be getting more out of it? I thought it was only the wealthy that have put more in, than they get back? A person that earns £13,000, and then the state has paid for his education, and health care, roads n stuff; can there be any left over for years of not working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Picked this up in another thread and thought it was worthy making a new thread about: "I paid into the system, so I should get something back". I've noticed it ever since I moved here, people really do feel entitled to public money, whether it is the NHS, benefits or pensions, but if that is the case, shouldn't people who paid more into the system be getting more out of it? The entitlement generation is a real problem. I once had a discussion with a couple who worked in the public sector. They seemed to think it was their role to find every benefit there is to give to people they deemed entitled. I asked if these people needed the benefits they where taking and they couldn't comprehend the notion. "Do they need it"? "but they are entitled to it" "no you're not answering the question, do they need it"? "but they are entitled to it" :roll: It was a long evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Picked this up in another thread and thought it was worthy making a new thread about: "I paid into the system, so I should get something back". I've noticed it ever since I moved here, people really do feel entitled to public money, whether it is the NHS, benefits or pensions, but if that is the case, shouldn't people who paid more into the system be getting more out of it? It's a weird sense of entitlement isn't it... And most likely the people who say it haven't made a net contribution anyway... ---------- Post added 11-05-2015 at 12:00 ---------- The entitlement generation is a real problem. I once had a discussion with a couple who worked in the public sector. They seemed to think it was their role to find every benefit there is to give to people they deemed entitled. I asked if these people needed the benefits they where taking and they couldn't comprehend the notion. "Do they need it"? "but they are entitled to it" "no you're not answering the question, do they need it"? "but they are entitled to it" :roll: It was a long evening Need and entitlement should actually be linked, and by should I mean from what I understand are. Benefits are all situation dependant, so if you're entitled then the state has judged you to be in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) "I paid into the system, so I should get something back".In my experience, people with that mindset think that the 'system' works like some sort of giant piggy box, accruing their hard earned in their sole name. What they fail to realise is that what whilever they are paying in, the money goes to those who don't pay in and to those (mostly retired) who used to pay. And when there's not been enough being paid-in for a while year-in year-out (and/or too much has been paid-out relative to earnings for a while, same-o), eventually less and less gets paid out (a.k.a. 'cuts'). I've been paying in at the top rate for the last 15 years, and will likely continue to do so for another 20+ years, yet I'm enough of a realist to know to expect sod all when my time comes to 'get something back' (unless the age pyramid starts to play in my generation and later generation's favour, after the baby boomers are all gone...but that's a big if, as they're going to leave a sizeable budgetary hole by the time the last one goes) . Politics have little to do with this (and the UK should actually be commended, as having at least started to do something about it), the exact same problem befalls all developed (and developing) countries with social support systems and a state-pensioned ageing population. Edited May 11, 2015 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Most of it presumably goes to actually running the country. The NHS, the armed forces, roads, street lighting, schools, councils, bin collections, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Need and entitlement should actually be linked, and by should I mean from what I understand are. Benefits are all situation dependant, so if you're entitled then the state has judged you to be in need. Not all benefits are judged as need. Take TV license or Bus passes. My point was, this couple, took it upon themselves to find more benefits for people who were happily living on what they already received. The were unaware they could claim more at the time. This couple where not tasked to do so, but they saw it as a moral crusade to get as much for these people as they could. Now I'm not saying they where totally wrong. What I am pointing out is how they could not understand the difference between entitlement and need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Boomer- Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Not all benefits are judged as need. Take TV license or Bus passes. My point was, this couple, took it upon themselves to find more benefits for people who were happily living on what they already received. The were unaware they could claim more at the time. This couple where not tasked to do so, but they saw it as a moral crusade to get as much for these people as they could. Now I'm not saying they where totally wrong. What I am pointing out is how they could not understand the difference between entitlement and need. Who are you, or anyone else for that matter, to decide the needs of others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Who are you, or anyone else for that matter, to decide the needs of others? For means tested benefits someone has decided... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 The entitlement generation is a real problem. I once had a discussion with a couple who worked in the public sector. They seemed to think it was their role to find every benefit there is to give to people they deemed entitled. What's the problem with that? Entitlement works both ways. People are entitled to tax-relief on their pension contributions. Do you think that should be applied on a basis of necessity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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