Should Labour move right or left?

[The Joker]

I've joined - Going to vote for Corbyn. Go Corbyn.

 

same here, I'll be proud to vote labour then.

 

Sorry greens / maxine / swp / snp / plaid cymru / commie party. . .

[RonJeremy]

Cameron has said he will not stand again.

Therefore the next PM will be a conservative.

That's why there is all this, typically tory, backstabbing and petty point scoring to decide which member of the Bullingdon Club will be their next leader.

 

Ha ha - unlike the Last Labour election - brother stabbing brother in the back pmsl

[Vague_Boy]

....to decide which member of the Bullingdon Club will be their next leader.

 

So it's going to be either George Osborne or Boris Johnson then? They're the only prominent Tories that fit that criteria.

[Flanker7]

So it's going to be either George Osborne or Boris Johnson then? They're the only prominent Tories that fit that criteria.

 

or Theresa May who couldn't possibly have been a member. My goodness! Eton would fall to the ground in ruins if she were.

 

Did you notice how she refused Boris permission to use his nice new shiny water cannons.

Theresa 1 - Boris 0

 

Then there was the extra runway for Heathrow and not in the Thames Estuary.

George 1 - Boris 0

Edited August 6, 2015 by Flanker7

[Eater Sundae]

not really much of a risk as the bookies have him a 14/1 bet on being next prime minister. george osbourne is 5/2. not bad as corbyn is favourite to be next labour leader and osbourne hasn't even put his hat in the ring.

 

Those people who gave him the initial support (so he could stand) didn't think that he would be elected as party leader, and it looks like they might have got it wrong. Who's to say that the bookies may not be making a similar mistake. At the time he threw his hat in the ring, his odds of becoming next Labour leader would have been way out. I bet they've shortened quite a bit since.

 

Of course he hasn't got the Labour leadership yet, and as most votes will not transfer to him in any later rounds, then we'll probably need to hit 50+% in the first round.

[drummonds]

Those people who gave him the initial support (so he could stand) didn't think that he would be elected as party leader, and it looks like they might have got it wrong. Who's to say that the bookies may not be making a similar mistake. At the time he threw his hat in the ring, his odds of becoming next Labour leader would have been way out. I bet they've shortened quite a bit since.

 

Of course he hasn't got the Labour leadership yet, and as most votes will not transfer to him in any later rounds, then we'll probably need to hit 50+% in the first round.

 

ha ha. the 14/1 was this afternoon. corbyn's odds of becoming labour leader shortened at the same rate as osbourne's did of becoming next prime minister.:hihi:

[Flanker7]

................Of course he hasn't got the Labour leadership yet, and as most votes will not transfer to him in any later rounds, then we'll probably need to hit 50+% in the first round.

 

David Milliband got 37% in the 1st round in 2010 and topped 3 out of the 4 rounds of voting.

A fine example of the weakness of the AV (alternative vote) system where Ed was not the first choice for 65%*

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2010

 

* note the spinning of the stats - David was not first choice for 62%

[gamezone07]

Still no Sheffield date, rumours though next Saturday, I predict it will be the biggest outside London.

[blake]

I doubt it, but I hope Corbyn knows that he will go down like a lead balloon in any or the marginal seats in this country which is where elections are won, and lost. He might get a bit of a crowd in Hampstead and Kilburn which is one of the marginal London seats that Labour only just managed to hold on to last time in what was one of their best results of the entire election which they lost badly. People might turn out for Corbyn there, in Hampstead and Kilburn, during a Labour party leadership rally. But they won't vote for Corbyn in Hampstead and Kilburn, in the actual next general election if Corbyn is the Labour party candidate. The Tory will win it. Be careful what you wish for.

Edited August 8, 2015 by blake

[Anna B]

I doubt it, but I hope Corbyn knows that he will go down like a lead balloon in any or the marginal seats in this country which is where elections are won, and lost. He might get a bit of a crowd in Hampstead and Kilburn which is one of the marginal London seats that Labour only just managed to hold on to last time in what was one of their best results of the entire election which they lost badly. People might turn out for Corbyn there, in Hampstead and Kilburn, during a Labour party leadership rally. But they won't vote for Corbyn in Hampstead and Kilburn, in the actual next general election if Corbyn is the Labour party candidate. The Tory will win it. Be careful what you wish for.

 

Well, according to our poll, Labour should move left, and the rise of Jeremy Corbyn seems to confirm it. What is worrying is that this is in the teeth of opposition from Labour itself, who seem to have no inkling of what their party members want.

 

We think the Tory elite are out of touch, but it looks like the Labour elite (also a bunch of millionaires and toffs) are equally out of touch. How has this happened, and who does represent the working class these days?