drummonds Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 . is JC different than Milliband? or is he the same . . only more so? both unelectable but corbyn more so.. a bit like dennis skinner or arthur scargill. no appeal whatsowever to anyone south of derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Globally Neoliberalism has given us a highly unstable economic, political and social situation. Repeated wars, repeated economic crises, migrant crises, the far East countries polluting the planet more than we ever did. I've never heard so much rubbish in my life. The opposite is true in each example except the last one where the Chinese state owned companies are is responsible. Socialism also gave us WW2, Stalin's Russia and the USSR, North Korea, Cambodia, Venezuela, Cuba, North Vietnam. Is there any country anywhere, ever, that's been a success without neoliberalism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Be careful not to mix up socialism with communism - the two are rather different animals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 First Milliband and now Corbyn... Did Thatcher plant long term sleeper moles in the Labour party in the 1980's to make them unelectable in later years you think? One things for sure - if you elect Corbyn the Labour party will either devolve to an ineffectual pressure group, or half the party will desert and form real Labour, or join the Lib Dems, or something. All countries need an effective opposition. Corbyn doesn't even provide that. For the sake of everything please don't vote him in. Hell it's almost worth paying my money and bunging Kendall a vote to keep him out. Labour always elect the wrong leader. In 1980, it was Foot, not Healey. In 1992 it was Smith, not Brown. The only reason Blair got to be Labour leader was because Smith died. Then it was Ed, not Dave, in 2010. But Labour have never got it as badly wrong as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Be careful not to mix up socialism with communism - the two are rather different animals... Let's split the difference, call them both Marxism, and ask the same question the other way around. Is there any country anywhere, ever, that's been a success WITH Marxism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Labour always elect the wrong leader. In 1980, it was Foot, not Healey. In 1992 it was Smith, not Brown. The only reason Blair got to be Labour leader was because Smith died. Then it was Ed, not Dave, in 2010. But Labour have never got it as badly wrong as this. I actually thought Smith was a pretty good choice, unless you mean it was the wrong choice due to his untimely death? Foot and Ed were disasters though as you quite rightly said. ---------- Post added 11-08-2015 at 17:33 ---------- Let's split the difference, call them both Marxism, and ask the same question the other way around. Is there any country anywhere, ever, that's been a success WITH Marxism? No lets call your exampls by their correct name and stop trying to conflate it with socialism, because that's just plain dishonest of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 No lets call your exampls by their correct name and stop trying to conflate it with socialism, because that's just plain dishonest of you. Let's not. I defy you to split the difference in respect to a neoliberal economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjodeano Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 He comes over as a bit chippy and argumentative. I think he'd lose his temper when under pressure. Have you watched any debates and interviews? he doesnt strike me as chirpy or argumentative, he comes across as quite intelligent and articulate to me, as for losing his temper, he has been in politics many many years, and knows his way about, i think he would do really well at a head to head with Cameron...Bring it on has anyone else noticed he has no sense of humour? Can't see him cracking too many jokes, to be honest. Does he need to have a sense of humour to make him qualified to lead the party, there are enough comedians in the parliament already, we dont need any more First Milliband and now Corbyn... Did Thatcher plant long term sleeper moles in the Labour party in the 1980's to make them unelectable in later years you think? One things for sure - if you elect Corbyn the Labour party will either devolve to an ineffectual pressure group, or half the party will desert and form real Labour, or join the Lib Dems, or something. All countries need an effective opposition. Corbyn doesn't even provide that. For the sake of everything please don't vote him in. Hell it's almost worth paying my money and bunging Kendall a vote to keep him out. Dont be too **** sure about that, thats just your blinkered anti left thinking that is clouding your judgement.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC1 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 lefts face it, corbyn cant do any worse than the dross centre thats come before, give the guy a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummonds Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Be careful not to mix up socialism with communism - the two are rather different animals... not round here they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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