Should Labour move right or left?

[blake]

he has been in politics many many years, and knows his way about.

 

no he doesn't. Not only has he never been a minister, like Michael Foot had been, but he's never even been a shadow minister. He has got no experience at all. He hasn't got a clue about government, and him being the most rebellious MP ever, who voted against the Labour government more times, than any other Labour MP, means that he will not be in a position to feel entitled to any loyalty, at all, from the parliamentary party that he will be supposed to be the leader of.

 

don't you even realise that even if Corbyn does win this leadership election, that he has got no chance of being the leader of the party in the next general election in 2020 and that he'll be booted out as being the total inadequate he will have shown himself to have been well before then?

Edited August 11, 2015 by blake

[drummonds]

no he doesn't. Not only has he never been a minister, like Michael Foot had been, but he's never even been a shadow minister. He has got no experience at all. He hasn't got a clue about government, and him being the most rebellious MP ever, who voted against the Labour government more times, than any other Labour MP, means that he will not be in a position to feel entitled to any loyalty, at all, from the parliamentay party that he will be supposed to be the leader of.

 

don't you even realise that even if Corbyn does win this leadership election, that he has got no chance of being the leader of the party in the next general election in 2020 and that he'll be booted out as being the total inadequate he will have shown himself to have been well before then?

 

but the good news is that labour won't then be in a position to have a credible shot at winning power until 2025 at the earliest. that's win win isn't it?

[blake]

I actually thought Smith was a pretty good choice, unless you mean it was the wrong choice due to his untimely death?

 

 

Smith was a better choice than Gould, who was his main rival in the 1992 Labour leadership election. But Brown could have stood against his mentor and beat him in that election. That was Brown's big chance. But he didn't take it out of loyalty. Doesn't that old Scottish Labour mafia seem like such a distant memory now.

 

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but the good news is that labour won't then be in a position to have a credible shot at winning power until 2025 at the earliest. that's win win isn't it?

 

they might have a half-chance of getting a shot in 2020 if Corbyn wins this leadership election, provided they get rid of him and replace him with somebody else in 2 or 3 years once Corbyn has shown himself up to be the total embarassment in the job that he will undoubtedly turn out to be.

[Eric Arthur]

John Smith made the clever move of dropping dead before anyone could find out if was any good or not.

 

What would Jesus have done?

[donkey]

The tories are engaged in open class war with their dual approach of penalising the poor merely for being poor and rewarding the rich merely for being rich. Corbyn is the only Labour candidate who is willing to truly oppose them and reverse their excesses.

 

Of course the mainstream media - owned by just the types who benefit mostly from tory policy - is going to try and scare everyone by repeating the mantra 'Corbyn will make Labour unelectable" ad-nauseam. Don't believe it for a second. The numbers of people expressing their supportfor him speaks for itself.

 

What many of the anti-Corbyn faction are really afraid of is that real change would mean they will have to contribute something to society, instead of just taking all the time. That goes for the new labour/tory lite carreer politicians who will adopt any position they think might get them in power, where they can get their snouts in the feeding trough.

[blake]

The tories are engaged in open class war with their dual approach of penalising the poor merely for being poor and rewarding the rich merely for being rich. Corbyn is the only Labour candidate who is willing to truly oppose them and reverse their excesses.

 

Of course the mainstream media - owned by just the types who benefit mostly from tory policy - is going to try and scare everyone by repeating the mantra 'Corbyn will make Labour unelectable" ad-nauseam. Don't believe it for a second. The numbers of people expressing their supportfor him speaks for itself.

 

What many of the anti-Corbyn faction are really afraid of is that real change would mean they will have to contribute something to society, instead of just taking all the time. That goes for the new labour/tory lite carreer politicians who will adopt any position they think might get them in power, where they can get their snouts in the feeding trough.

 

Thanks Dave Spart, of legendary Private Eye fame. Does that continue on Page 94?

[Ela James]

fantastic Poll, thanks!

[DrNorm]

they might have a half-chance of getting a shot in 2020 if Corbyn wins this leadership election ...

 

... provided they get rid of him and replace him with somebody else in 2 or 3 years once Corbyn has shown himself up to be the total embarassment in the job that he will undoubtedly turn out to be.

 

Oh dear ... I had similar sentiments when Ed Miliband became leader.

 

I placed a bet that Labour would lose the election WITHOUT him as leader (ie they'd replace him too late and still lose the election - I didn't have as much faith as you blake in a weak candidate)

 

I still voted Labour, but if the choice for PM in the 2020 election is between Corbyn and Osborne, I'd probably waste my vote on a 3rd option.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Q: why elect a leader who seems unlikely to want the position come the next General Election?

[tinfoilhat]

Q: why elect a leader who seems unlikely to want the position come the next General Election?

 

Well they sort of did that when they elected ed milliband last time.