Should Labour move right or left?

[TJC1]

but then in the real world, or at least the world according to labour and the tuc.

 

http://labourlist.org/2015/05/untrusted-on-economy-and-competence-tuc-polling-sheds-light-on-why-labour-lost-the-election/

 

Untrusted on economy and competence: TUC polling sheds light on why Labour lost the election

 

Labour were seen as too profligate, too soft on welfare and immigration, and too incompetent, according to a major post-election poll carried out by the Trade Union Congress (TUC). There were both gender and age gaps, with men and older people more likely to vote Conservative.

 

The top three reasons people gave for not voting Labour were fears that the party could not be trusted with the economy and would spend too much, be too generous with the benefit system, and be forced to make too many concessions to the SNP.

 

Meanwhile, the top three reasons for supporting the Conservatives were to keep the economy growing, the progress that had been made with deficit reduction, and the belief that David Cameron would make a better Prime Minister than Ed Miliband. Asked how they judged Labour on a variety of topics, the party ended up with negative scores on competence (-30), honesty (-27), and being radical (-44).

 

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and who was in charge when the banking crash happened. who set up the fsa to regulate financial services, and who overspent in the good times so the pot was empty when it hit the fan? that would be the last labour government.

 

Not denying conservatives won and labour lost, or the reasons why. I'm saying 75% of population did not vote or abstained from voting con.

 

So 25% get what they voted for, or possibly less. Con didn't tell us much, just there would be cuts. And there have been and will be cuts.

 

Labour would of cut too, maybe less severely. These are the facts.

 

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It's really not a vote of confidence, maybe from the south who voted mainly tory.

 

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Btw I didn't think millibars was a leader either.

[drummonds]

Not denying conservatives won and labour lost, or the reasons why. I'm saying 75% of population did not vote or abstained from voting con.

 

So 25% get what they voted for, or possibly less. Con didn't tell us much, just there would be cuts. And there have been and will be cuts.

 

Labour would of cut too, maybe less severely. These are the facts.

 

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It's really not a vote of confidence, maybe from the south who voted mainly tory.

 

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Btw I didn't think millibars was a leader either.

 

you being in denial won't alter the facts. labour are not tusted to run the economy. you can try any amount of window dressing you like but that is the perception. it really doesn't matter a jot if 25% of voters voted tory, particularly as 21% more voted tory than voted labour. since the election that margin has increased. if the polls are to be belived an election today would have the tories picking up 30-35% more votes than labour. that's what wins and loses elections.

[May Blob]

so who makes the individual decision that the country lives within its means and doesn't follow greece down the spiral of unsustainable debt?

 

fortunately the population of the uk have made it very clear that labour can't be trusted with the economy. the pain of austerity is the price for a decade of labour governments out of control spending; beyond our means.

So are the world bankers who took the worlds financial system into free fall labour party members.

 

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you being in denial won't alter the facts. labour are not tusted to run the economy. you can try any amount of window dressing you like but that is the perception. it really doesn't matter a jot if 25% of voters voted tory, particularly as 21% more voted tory than voted labour. since the election that margin has increased. if the polls are to be belived an election today would have the tories picking up 30-35% more votes than labour. that's what wins and loses elections.

Are you so deluded that you honestly think that Labour not world bankers caused the world crash?

[drummonds]

So are the world bankers who took the worlds financial system into free fall labour party members.

 

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Are you so deluded that you honestly think that Labour not world bankers caused the world crash?

 

is andy burnham deluded? this from the guardian.

 

 

"Burnham said: “I don’t think we can win back people’s trust if we say we did everything right on the economy all those years. We did fix the roof when the sun was shining. But the deficit was too high when the crash came. I know that because I was chief secretary to the Treasury in 2007, Alistair Darling said the deficit is too high and we needed to bring it back down.

 

“If you are honest about your mistakes then I think people will begin to listen to you, and then [you] regain their trust and credibility.”

 

Pressed by a member of the audience to apologise, he said: “Sorry. It was a mistake, we should not have allowed the deficit to get that high.”"

[Eric Arthur]

The population didnt make it clear. 75% of people abstained or voted against the conservatives.

 

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and 30% of the voting electorate backed labour.

 

Sorry, it looks about as clear as mud.

 

It's crystal clear that 20% more voted for the Conservatives.

[TJC1]

you being in denial won't alter the facts. labour are not tusted to run the economy. you can try any amount of window dressing you like but that is the perception. it really doesn't matter a jot if 25% of voters voted tory, particularly as 21% more voted tory than voted labour. since the election that margin has increased. if the polls are to be belived an election today would have the tories picking up 30-35% more votes than labour. that's what wins and loses elections.

 

You not understanding. No window dressing. Just facts.

 

Labour under millibandlost the election, fine. But he's not the leader anymore. SO irrelevant. History. First point.

 

How is it clear that anyone else has a public mandate to govern? 75% of the population are not represented. Abstained or voted against.

It looks unfair system objectively. Second point.

 

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It's crystal clear that 20% more voted for the Conservatives.

 

11.3 million voted con. 9.3 million voted labour.

There's 60 million people in uk.

 

Potentially a lot of dissatisfied customers.

 

You cant just say the people voted for austerity. nonsense.

 

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The consensus is not with this government. They have a fraction backing.

 

That's a fact.

 

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So accept any plans for cuts is going to be unpopular

[El Cid]

 

and who was in charge when the banking crash happened. who set up the fsa to regulate financial services.

 

Was there any criticism of this, BEFORE problems arose? David Cameron said the Labour taxed too much, and regulated too much.

[Eric Arthur]

You not understanding. No window dressing. Just facts.

 

Labour under millibandlost the election, fine. But he's not the leader anymore. SO irrelevant. History. First point.

 

How is it clear that anyone else has a public mandate to govern? 75% of the population are not represented. Abstained or voted against.

It looks unfair system objectively. Second point.

 

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11.3 million voted con. 9.3 million voted labour.

There's 60 million people in uk.

 

Potentially a lot of dissatisfied customers.

 

You cant just say the people voted for austerity. nonsense.

 

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The consensus is not with this government. They have a fraction backing.

 

That's a fact.

 

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So accept any plans for cuts is going to be unpopular

 

Conservatives got 36% of the vote in 2015 with austerity

 

Labour got 35% of the vote in 2005 with an economic boom.

 

You go figure out who's dissatisfied but meantime just quit your whining.

[El Cid]

 

You go figure out who's dissatisfied.

 

The 76% that did not vote Tory.

[Eric Arthur]

Or more who didn't vote for anyone else.

 

Perhaps they weren't dissatisfied but they had a hot date to go to on election night.