blake Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Foot is remembered as being a laughably bad Labour leader but he wasn't anything like as bad as Corbyn will be. at least Foot had the support of fellow MP's and parliamentary colleagues - over 50% of them voted for him in the final runoff with Healey. Corbyn will be lucky to have more than 10% of Labour MP's voting for him. it's just going to embarrassing. What is it going to be like for Corbyn to stand there at the despatch box knowing that almost nobody in the parliamentary party voted for him. The knives will come out for Corbyn once the results of the next round of important local, Euro and Scottish elections next May come in. The main opposition party, which is what Labour for at least the moment is, should normally expect to do reasonably well so early in a parliament, but Labour, who will have made a complete spectacle of themselves by then under Corbyn's leadership, will be comprehensively trounced and, although the Tories will not like it and would prefer he stayed on as Labour leader, Corbyn will be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 Foot is remembered as being a laughably bad Labour leader but he wasn't anything like as bad as Corbyn will be. at least Foot had the support of fellow MP's and parliamentary colleagues - over 50% of them voted for him in the final runoff with Healey. Corbyn will be lucky to have more than 10% of Labour MP's voting for him. it's just going to embarrassing. What is it going to be like for Corbyn to stand there at the despatch box knowing that almost nobody in the parliamentary party voted for him. The knives will come out for Corbyn once the results of the next round of important local, Euro and Scottish elections next May come in. The main opposition party, which is what Labour for at least the moment is, should normally expect to do reasonably well so early in a parliament, but Labour, who will have made a complete spectacle of themselves by then under Corbyn's leadership, will be comprehensively trounced and, although the Tories will not like it and would prefer he stayed on as Labour leader, Corbyn will be replaced. You may be right, but I think the question should be asked as to how and why Corbyn has rocketed ahead in this campaign when just about every pundit and politician with a voice is raging against him. Why has an unknown, 'unelectable' backbencher managed to trounce the experienced opposition? Once again, those pesky people called the electorate seem to want to have a say, and their choice is Corbyn. It's that damned democracy rearing its ugly head again... I would say it's the desire for change - anything - anyone - but the bunch of lying, conniving politicians we've already got. The electorate haven't forgotten the expenses scandal, which in their eyes was never properly dealt with, nor have they forgotten the banking crisis which again saw no one punished for ruining the country, they haven't forgotten years of mismanagement (all parties) which has seen this country stripped of its assets and jobs; they see the growing gap between rich and poor, obscene salaries at the top, mass immigration, croneyism, grandstanding, nepotism, paedophilia, you name it... The people have had enough. We saw it with the rise of the Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems, the rise of Nigel Farge and Ukip, the rise of Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP... But still the politicians don't get it, they just keep dishing up more of the same, which simply goes to show how out of touch they really are. Jeremy Corbyn may well be another one who will rise and fall, but at the moment he represents an untainted politician not in the old boys club, something different, and he can't do any worse than the others, he might even do a bit better. There have been rumblings of revolution for a while now, but the people of this country, bless em, are willing to give another politician another chance. Let's hope old Jeremy is able to pull something out of the bag, because with another major financial crisis looming, this might be the last chance they get. Go back and read the original post of this thread. Should Labour move right or left? Read why I asked the question. Well it seems the people have decided - and it's left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Once again, those pesky people called the electorate seem to want to have a say, and their choice is Corbyn. It's that damned democracy rearing its ugly head again... the people voting in the leadership election are not 'the electorate' at all, but less than 1% of the inhabitants of the United Kingdom. when the actual voters do get a chance to vote next May, and especially after Corbyn has exposed himself as the lightweight imbecile he is, you'll see what they think of him and the Labour party he is the leader of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) the people voting in the leadership election are not 'the electorate' at all, but less than 1% of the inhabitants of the United Kingdom. when the actual voters do get a chance to vote next May, and especially after Corbyn has exposed himself as the lightweight imbecile he is, you'll see what they think of him and the Labour party he is the leader of. Ordinary people are joining the Labour party in droves so they can have a vote in the upcoming Leadership election. That is what has propelled Jeremy Corbyn to front runner and what I meant by 'electorate.' But you already knew that. I note you have nothing to say about the main body of my post. Incidently, I don't believe Jeremy Corbyn is a 'lightweight imbecile.' There you go again, insulting people. Do you find it impossible to post without getting personal and unpleasant? Edited August 21, 2015 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Once again, those pesky people called the electorate seem to want to have a say, and their choice is Corbyn. After his comments on the illegal Iraq war I'd vote for Corbyn but the people voting in the Labour leadership election are not the wider electorate. Some are even Conservatives. The choice will not be made this year but in 2020. The people have had enough. The same people who voted the Boy Cameron back in last May? What's that, 4 months ago? We saw it with the rise of the Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems, the rise of Nigel Farge and Ukip, the rise of Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP... Out of those groups, the LibDems were annihilated last May and UKIP won only one seat. The Conservatives don't exist in Scotland so pretty much all the SNP's extra votes came from former Labour supporters. mass immigration Labour 'Encouraged Mass Immigration To UK' Labour ministers deliberately encouraged mass immigration to diversify Britain over the past decade, a former Downing Street adviser has claimed. Andrew Neather said the mass influx of migrant workers seen in recent years was not the result of a mistake or miscalculation but rather a policy the party preferred not to reveal to its core voters. He said the strategy was intended to fill gaps in the labour market and make the UK more multicultural, at the same time as scoring political points against the Opposition. Mr Neather worked as a speechwriter for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett. "Mass migration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural," he wrote in in the London Evening Standard. LINK And if you don't believe Andrew.... Labour 'sent out search parties for immigrants', Lord Mandelson admits The former Cabinet minister confirmed for the first time that New Labour not only welcomed but actively encouraged that mass influx of migrants. Earlier this year Ed Miliband admitted that the last Labour government was not “sufficiently alive to people's concerns” over immigration and his party got “the numbers wrong”. But the party leader stopped short of admitting that immigration was too high. Between 1997 and 2010, more than 2.2 million immigrants came to the country - more than twice the population of Birmingham – with the annual net figure quadrupling during their time in office. LINK "with the annual net figure quadrupling during their time in office". Well, well, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) he is a lightweight Before anybody even takes his retarded, infantile views into consideration. especially on economic and foreign policy, people will realise that he's not intelligent, he has no education, and he has no political experience at all (being a whingeing backbencher for 30 years is not political experience). Cameron, who has all three of those things, is going to make mincemeat of him in parliament and the electorate, almost none of whom are the members or supporters of the Labour party that may or may not have voted for Corbyn, are going to see it on the tv news every night. He'll be gone by next summer. Edited August 21, 2015 by blake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 After his comments on the illegal Iraq war I'd vote for Corbyn but the people voting in the Labour leadership election are not the wider electorate. Some are even Conservatives. The choice will not be made this year but in 2020. The same people who voted the Boy Cameron back in last May? What's that, 4 months ago? Out of those groups, the LibDems were annihilated last May and UKIP won only one seat. The Conservatives don't exist in Scotland so pretty much all the SNP's extra votes came from former Labour supporters. LINK And if you don't believe Andrew.... LINK "with the annual net figure quadrupling during their time in office". Well, well, well. You'll note that I included both parties in my previous post. In fact all parties are culpable, which is why politics is in such turmoil. And if you don't believe that, then you need to get out more and widen your social circle. So what do you ascribe to Jeremy Corbyn's sudden ascendancy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 So what do you ascribe to Jeremy Corbyn's sudden ascendancy? Infiltrators into Labour's voting system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joker Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Incidently, I don't believe Jeremy Corbyn is a 'lightweight imbecile.' There you go again, insulting people. Do you find it impossible to post without getting personal and unpleasant? Yes, unfortunately he does. He can give abuse, but he can't take it: If you are talking about me then it is a totally unwarranted personal attack. However if you are talking about Corbyn then I would agree and also, has anyone else noticed he has no sense of humour? Can't see him cracking too many jokes, to be honest. https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11115847&postcount=332 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 he is a lightweight Before anybody even takes his retarded, infantile views into consideration. . I'm sure there is some irony here in you calling him 'retarded' and having 'infantile views'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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