JFKvsNixon Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'm enjoying it immensely. The three Blair-ites candidates all part of portraying the Tories as the nasty party now showing themselves to be just as nasty themselves, Corbyn rising above it all and remaining a calm voice of reason and unashamedly true to his principles. Wonderful stuff. Corbyn's principles seemed get in the way of him being a team player, how will now pursued his MP's to be team players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 yes lots of hype and media attention only to emerge with one mp after the general election, having lost his own seat. I think you know that wasn't driving at you cheeky rascal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummonds Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Better ask Harriet Harman, as she's the one in charge of it. According to Radio 4 news, out of 60,000 new memberships, 3,000 have been disallowed for various reasons. which of course is absolute nonsense. no one knows how the majority vote in elections. i voted tactically myself. so i voted for a party other than the one i hoped would win the election. but as the idea is to attract votes from other parties the whole system is flawed. it does however lead to resentment and suspicion of ballot rigging which will damage the party even more. ---------- Post added 22-08-2015 at 15:53 ---------- Corbyn's principles seemed get in the way of him being a team player, how will now pursued his MP's to be team players? Mmmm, I think I agree with this, although I do think people underestimate Jeremy Corbyn, and he may yet surprise us all. It will certainly stir things up. Whether you share their point of view or not, the left needs a prominant voice. It's been ignored for too long. The growing gap between rich and poor, if left unchecked, (and unexplored,) will be the downfall of us all. Either way it's going to be interesting. the problem is of course that corbyn appeals to the picket line banner waver. they are likely to make up a large proportion of labours union membership (who get to vote for the leader), however that is different from appealing to the middle classes of harrogate whose money corbyn would seek to redistribute. i hear chuka umunna is looking to set up a moderate party within a party should corbyn become leader. it looks like a perfect recipe for a part split to me. like you say it is going to be interesting. probably disasterous for labour, but interesting. Edited August 22, 2015 by drummonds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 And what is your conclusion? Considering the poor competition, I think Jeremy Corbyn is probably worth a try. He has approx 3 years in which to prove he can do the job, (and do it well,) if not, he will be voted out. Whether he'll be able to unite the party in that time remains to be seen, and he does need them behind him. If the public support him, the party will follow. The MPs (both parties,) are not people of principal; they'd all sell their own Grandmothers for a seat in the house of commons. If Corbyn fails then I reckon Chukka Ummuna will take advantage and move into leadership position (Ummuna is playing the long game, is very shrewd, and another Blair...) All this rubbish about Corbyn making the party unelectable is a load of cobblers to put the frighteners on. Give him a chance, he can't do any worse, and could possibly be just what is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummonds Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 He has approx 3 years in which to prove he can do the job, (and do it well,) if not, he will be voted out. just run that process by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Who cares anyway? Labour are an irrelevance now. The only people who Labour have left are benefit claimants. There aren't enough votes left for them. The working classes have deserted them for the SNP in Scotland and UKIP in England. Labour sneer and look down at the working classes, whilst stealing the taxes from the middle classes to give to the benefit claimants. Labour are pro-immigration, pro-taxation, anti-business, anti-aspiration and will forever be remembered for gross fiscal mismanagement. This is why Labour lost 2015 and this is why they're facing the existential crisis of this leadership election. That's a nonsense Daily Mail stereotype.....As far as anti aspiration goes, Jeremy Corbyn is the most aspirational of leaders ....He's saying something different to the poo curled by the right wing propaganda machines, and regurgitated on here by useful idiots. Anyway I'm off for a frothy Cappuccino, enjoy your bitter instant coffee Edited August 22, 2015 by Mister M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) just run that process by me. Vote of no confidence forcing his resignation. Elect a new leader. But at least give him a chance first, he might be very good. That's what the opposition are really afraid of... Edited August 22, 2015 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiseOwl182 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 That's a nonsense Daily Mail stereotype.....As far as anti aspiration goes, Jeremy Corbyn is the most aspirational of leaders ....He's saying something different to the poo curled by the right wing propaganda machines, and regurgitated on here by useful idiots. Anyway I'm off for a frothy Cappuccino, enjoy your bitter instant coffee You're confusing the words "aspirational" and "inspirational". I suggest asking Father Christmas for a dictionary this year. He is anti-aspiration because his brand of politics, socialism (and a fairly left wing version of it too), rewards people who get on in life, work hard, create jobs and earn more money by taxing them to death to dish out to those who don't aspire to anything beyond a benefit payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 You're confusing the words "aspirational" and "inspirational". I suggest asking Father Christmas for a dictionary this year. He is anti-aspiration because his brand of politics, socialism (and a fairly left wing version of it too), rewards people who get on in life, work hard, create jobs and earn more money by taxing them to death to dish out to those who don't aspire to anything beyond a benefit payment. You can aspire to having a wealthy, decent, fair country, that fully rewards hard work and endeavour, but also helps the vulnerable and less fortunate. Aspiration doesn't just apply to stuffing your own back pocket y'know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 You're confusing the words "aspirational" and "inspirational". I suggest asking Father Christmas for a dictionary this year. He is anti-aspiration because his brand of politics, socialism (and a fairly left wing version of it too), rewards people who get on in life, work hard, create jobs and earn more money by taxing them to death to dish out to those who don't aspire to anything beyond a benefit payment. He's actually supportive of small and medium sized businesses. That isn't anti-aspirational. That's supporting the little guy against the big guy and encouraging them to be something more than a corporate drone. In that respect he's the opposite of what you believe he is. The Tories and Labour want you on minimum wage for a corporate, and up to your eyeballs in debt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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