Cyclone Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 But supporting the idea of gay marriage is not illegal. But it's not legally compulsory either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 so you are whinging about whingers that very original Oooh! Rock on Tommy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtkate Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 That's the key difference isn't it. Refusing them service for being gay is clearly illegal. Refusing them a specific cake but happily selling them another cake is not (to my mind) discrimination based on their sexual orientation. Agree with that totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I think the judge has got this wrong and I hope there is an appeal. If a gay man goes into a cake shop and asks for 'change the age of consent because 10 year old boys are sexy' on a cake then is it discrimination to refuse? If not then why not? What's the difference? If the person who made the service request had not been gay then the judge couldn't have ruled that this was sex discrimination because the Act is there to protect people from discrimination and not opinions. It cannot possibly be right that it is illegal to refuse a homosexual a service request but legal to refuse a heterosexual the exact same service request. Whatever your opinion on gay marriage - I'm all for it - the judgement fails the equality test and needs to be overturned. It is completely irrelevant whether the cake maker looked for an excuse to refuse to serve. All that matters is whether there is a valid excuse... and there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJ68 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32791239 Why do some people have to be dragged into the 21st century? If Ashers Baking Company are "conducting a business for profit" they'd do well by moving South. Great news from Ireland today, restored my faith in humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 There was a good piece about this on Have I Got News for You on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoMontoya Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Asher's to appeal - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32913283 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFrank Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Asher's to appeal - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32913283 I think they'll probably win. I support Gay marriage but I don't think people should be forced to say they do, when they don't, as in printing on a cake. If we have a situation where businesses are forced to do things in the name of equality we're on a sticky wicket... Would a Polish Bakers be forced to print a UKIP emblem with a message sayin End Immigration... or what about a Muslim one being forced to print a picture of the Prophet on one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I think they'll probably win. I support Gay marriage but I don't think people should be forced to say they do, when they don't, as in printing on a cake. If we have a situation where businesses are forced to do things in the name of equality we're on a sticky wicket... Would a Polish Bakers be forced to print a UKIP emblem with a message sayin End Immigration... or what about a Muslim one being forced to print a picture of the Prophet on one? They could always be busy - lie in other words, or do it. But otherwise suck it up, and if they don't like it they can get a job at Greggs. But frankly this sort of thing is the tip of massive iceberg for most small businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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