VIP paedophile ring

[Anna B]

Please list who Watson has named in public. When you have done that we can have a look t if he's done it to further the career of Tom Never Heard Of Him Before This Watson's political career.

 

We'll wait for you to get that list.

 

I never said Watson had named a list of people.

 

The only person I know of to be naming names is convicted homosexual sex abuser Harvey Proctor, who publicly named Sir Edward Heath alongside Leon Britton, and General Sir Hugh Beach, Sir Michael Hanley, the head of MI5, and head of MI6 Sir Maurice Oldfield, to say they were not involved. I thought this was a bit strange; why name publicly name people who are not involved? I'd never heard of 3 of them....

 

Harvey Proctor, by the way, angrily and vehemently denied the accusations that he had had underage sex with rent boys aged 16 - 21 (age of consent between same sex couples was 21 at the time,) right up until his conviction, at which point he had to resign as an MP.

 

I don't know if Tom Watson has accused any particular people, do you?

[I1L2T3]

You must have trouble reading pal - where have I suggested anything like that?

 

I have simply observed that it would help both the alleged victims and those accused if there was some basic investigation before the dawn raid accompanied by the righteous press. How would you like it on the day of your trial to discover that it appears a complain having been made against a celeb has been shelved on the basis the complaint can't have been correct.

 

We dont need you pious spouting either as to the vulnerability of the victims the reasons why many of the allegations are made very late is a direct consequence of the abuse - when you have had some experience of this and sought to have the complaints heard you can talk about it as opposed to spinning it.

 

You said it was an easy allegation to make. It isnt.

 

You said it was easy to disprove. Again, it isn't.

 

Are you saying abuse victims are not vulnerable into adult life? As somebody who experienced some very traumatic events during childhood I can assure you that a bad childhood stays with you forever.

[Hesther]

Does Watson expose regular rape allegations or just the ones that further his own political career?

 

Does Zac Goldsmith?

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/14/zac-goldsmith-urged-to-withdraw-paedophile-ring-allegations

[redfox]

Read the post again - I said it was difficult to DISPROVE -

 

Sex usually takes place between two people in private - word against word - easy allegation to make

 

And I said this ...."as to the vulnerability of the victims the reasons why many of the allegations are made very late is a direct consequence of the abuse" -

 

I doubt many sane people require telling that which occurs to you in the formative years can have a dramatic impact on your later years.

 

not sure what your point is

[Anna B]

This vilification of Tom Watson is a typical establishment strategy: If you can't destroy the message, destroy the messenger. They will use anything and everything to discredit him.

[I1L2T3]

Read the post again - I said it was difficult to DISPROVE -

 

Sex usually takes place between two people in private - word against word - easy allegation to make

 

And I said this ...."as to the vulnerability of the victims the reasons why many of the allegations are made very late is a direct consequence of the abuse" -

 

I doubt many sane people require telling that which occurs to you in the formative years can have a dramatic impact on your later years.

 

not sure what your point is

 

I apo!ogise. What I meant was that it is not easy to prove. The conviction rate for complaints of this nature is very low.

 

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Does Zac Goldsmith?

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/14/zac-goldsmith-urged-to-withdraw-paedophile-ring-allegations

 

Like Watson, Goldsmith needs to stay strong.

 

The establishment is desperately trying to kill a number of ongoing investigations.

 

Thinking about it, this last week has to be one of the most concerted attacks by the establishment on an individual for some time. The BBC, the PM, numerous senior politicians and titles all across the print media have all been mobilised with the same message.

 

Looks as dodgy as hell.

[redfox]

It is hard for juries to comprehend why people do not complain at the time or how they behave when incidents actually occur. The stereotypes are very difficult to break down although I do think that is slowly happening - certainly in my experience it is - possibly because in the course of summing up cases of a sexual nature Judge now tell the jury not to have a stereotypical approach to how people behave in certain circumstances

Just because a person who is attacked doesn't fight and or scream but simply accepts it does not mean that they are not to be believed.

[drummonds]

I never said Watson had named a list of people.

 

The only person I know of to be naming names is convicted homosexual sex abuser Harvey Proctor, who publicly named Sir Edward Heath alongside Leon Britton, and General Sir Hugh Beach, Sir Michael Hanley, the head of MI5, and head of MI6 Sir Maurice Oldfield, to say they were not involved. I thought this was a bit strange; why name publicly name people who are not involved? I'd never heard of 3 of them....

 

Harvey Proctor, by the way, angrily and vehemently denied the accusations that he had had underage sex with rent boys aged 16 - 21 (age of consent between same sex couples was 21 at the time,) right up until his conviction, at which point he had to resign as an MP.

 

I don't know if Tom Watson has accused any particular people, do you?

 

so what you are saying is all tom watson has done is regurgitate any slur that he has come across and shouted it out to ensure the names get slapped across the press. he didn't actually have a shread of actual evidence or anything that wasn't already being investigated. the evidence against the respectable pillars of the establishment that you list is the words of a serial sex offender who was probably coerced to spit out names to try and spread the crap a bit thinner.

[Hesther]

 

Like Watson, Goldsmith needs to stay strong.

 

The establishment is desperately trying to kill a number of ongoing investigations.

 

Thinking about it, this last week has to be one of the most concerted attacks by the establishment on an individual for some time. The BBC, the PM, numerous senior politicians and titles all across the print media have all been mobilised with the same message.

 

Looks as dodgy as hell.

 

Especially given what we know as FACT.

[Anna B]

so what you are saying is all tom watson has done is regurgitate any slur that he has come across and shouted it out to ensure the names get slapped across the press. he didn't actually have a shread of actual evidence or anything that wasn't already being investigated. the evidence against the respectable pillars of the establishment that you list is the words of a serial sex offender who was probably coerced to spit out names to try and spread the crap a bit thinner.

 

I gather that what Mr Watson did was make sure an alleged rape was investigated as well as other allegations against Leon Britton. It seems that it had been overlooked / neglected. This ladies claims deserved investigation just as much as the rest.

 

What's wrong with that?