rinzwind Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Similar claims in the USA. The child prostitution ring that reached the Bush Whitehouse. http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm Also here is part of the statement of Andrea Davison former Intelligence Operative and Child Abuse whistle-blower The majority of my documentary evidence was taken by 19 North Wales and Derby Police Officers headed by DC Winnard and DS Hunt on January 13th 2010 who emptied my three flats of documents and valuables. The warrant was signed by Derby Judge Burgess. A full list of the thousands of documents taken has never been provided I made a concerted effort to get my documents about illegal arms sales and child abuse and journalistic material back, from the Derby and North Wales Police, but whoever was behind the raid on my property had enough power to ignore legitimate requests for the documents return. Clearly DC Winnard and DS Hunt were not acting on their own as sanction would be required to look at let alone seize/steal and keep documents and computers from a prominent Intelligence Agent and her tenant who held Top Secret clearance and had recently worked in Aldermaston. On the 17th March April 2010 Lord Hoyle of Warrington wrote to the Chief Constable of Derby Mike Creedon later to the Chief Constable of North Wales Mark Polin asking them to return the seized documents and property to my tenant and myself. He asked them for “the return of all documents” The result was that the Derby Police obtained a Restraint Order from Judge Burgess on the April 7th 2010 which put a veneer of legitimacy over the Police holding all my property and all my documents, including excluded documents, and prevented anyone asking for their return. To prevent me challenging the Restraint Order the Court made it a contempt of Court for me to pay for legal advice or assistance. I applied for Legal Aid but this was refused. This tactic has resulted in not one document or item of property being returned in over three years Full statement here : http://macurstatement.blogspot.co.uk/ Edited October 24, 2015 by rinzwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Can you tell me why you haven't directed your ire at equally 'culpable' Zac Goldsmith? Maybe you think along the same party lines as the MPs Commons Select Committee... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/21/mps-committee-rejects-questioning-zac-goldsmith-leon-britton Could it be that he's Tory, very rich, and not quite as friendless as Tom Watson? Thankyou Rinzwind. And people think all this is simply going to go away because Tom Watson named Leon Brittan in Westminster? It could be that Zac Goldsmith was prepared to make his claims without hiding behind parliamentary privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesther Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 It could be that Zac Goldsmith was prepared to make his claims without hiding behind parliamentary privilege. What difference does that make? He was still making the claims also. Let's face it, rather worryingly, it appears that for some, this is not about transparency but rather political point scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 It could be that Zac Goldsmith was prepared to make his claims without hiding behind parliamentary privilege. but its ok for alleged peados to hide behind being an mp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinzwind Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) This evidence has been locked away until everybody involved is dead. Investigation into offences of buggery and gross indecency allegedly committed by a peer of the realm and another http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C555479 Allegations of buggery, impersonation of a police officer and other offences against a peer of the realm and others http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10888375 Another paedophile dossier naming VIP figures was drawn up by Barbara Castle but it was confiscated by 'national security' officers in 1980s. Files listed 16 MPS, senior policemen, headteachers and clergy. Baroness Castle handed files to editor of her local Bury Messenger paper But he claims a 'heavy mob' of Special Branch officers took them away http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2693635/Now-revealed-Barbara-Castle-drew-dossier-VIP-paedophiles-File-seized-Special-Branch-heavy-mob.html Scotland Yard handed Leon Brittan yet another dossier naming 15 members of notorious pedophile group. This file is currently unaccounted for (this is not the same file given to Leon Brittan by Geoffrey Dickens). http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10952480/Leon-Brittan-was-given-second-paedophile-dossier.html Former detective Terry Shutt claims important material was discovered in the 1992 arrest of Peter Righton, a former consultant to the National Children's Bureau, but this was covered up. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/09/peter-righton-paedophile_n_5569585.html?utm_hp_ref=uk Former child protection manager Peter McKelvie, who worked on the conviction of paedophile Peter Righton, said there was a “powerful elite” of paedophiles who carried out “the worst form” of abuse. I believe there is a lot of strong evidence, and information that can be converted into evidence if it is investigated properly, that there has been an extremely powerful elite, amongst the highest levels of the political classes, for as long as I have been alive. There has been sufficient reason to investigate it over and over again certainly for the past thirty years, and there has always been a block, and the cover-up and collusion, to prevent that happening. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10953043/20-establishment-figures-in-elite-paedophile-ring.html The allegations above are being made by an intelligence officer, a former police detective, a child protection manager and the editor of a local newspaper. There are thousands of additional claims made by various other witnesses. The Panorama programme mentioned previously has discredited just one of these witnesses. It's not at all clear to me why certain users of this forum think discrediting this one single witness means the whole VIP paedophile scandal is nonsense. Surely they would need to discredit every witness before reaching that conclusion. Talking about cover up, does anybody know what happened to Patrick Rock? The former aide to David Cameron has been charged with three counts of making indecent photographs of children and one count of possessing indecent images of children. He appeared in Southwark Crown Court on Friday 16th October. I can't find a word about this online even though his trial was last Friday. Does anybody else think this lack of coverage is strange. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/03/ex-cameron-aide-patrick-rock-faces-trial-child-abuse-images https://buddyhell.wordpress.com/2015/10/13/the-csa-inquiry-the-bbc-and-the-strange-case-of-patrick-rock/ ---------- Post added 24-10-2015 at 11:41 ---------- Lots more examples compiled by users on reddit. Edited October 24, 2015 by rinzwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 but its ok for alleged peados to hide behind being an mp No. Who's claimed it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgksheff Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 .............. Talking about cover up, does anybody know what happened to Patrick Rock? The former aide to David Cameron has been charged with three counts of making indecent photographs of children and one count of possessing indecent images of children. He appeared in Southwark Crown Court on Friday 16th October. ........... " ........... Patrick Rock pleaded not guilty to seven counts of making indecent photographs of child. His case is on the 31/05/2016 ........" from a post on here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/trial_of_patrick_rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrach Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 They all want hanging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinzwind Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) They all want hanging Personally I'm against capital punishment under any circumstances and I do not think suggestions like this are helpful. We all agree these are some of the worst crimes imaginable and I also think the full horror of what has been happening has yet to come out. I understand why people have such strong feelings about this as do I. However I do not think more killing is ever appropriate, no matter how badly we all want justice for the victims. Hanging these people will not undo the damage done. It won't bring children back to life and more importantly, it won't create an atmosphere that encourages collaborators to come forward. When these people are backed in to a corner they will fight even harder to cover things up. Even now the perpetrators can still do the right thing and help us to stop this from continuing. That should be what we all want more than anything else. Edited October 25, 2015 by rinzwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdom Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 A pedo will never change and if he did I reckon 5 years on a tag would be justified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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