Eric Arthur Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) I haven't fully made up my mind around that claim to be honest but I do understand the points about losing our Schengen opt-out and less cooperation between police agencies if we leave Why do you think we would be safer out? This is more scaremongering. Why would the French police not speak to the UK police about threats less if the UK wasn't in the EU? Do you think that they speak to the USA less because they aren't either? Your arguments are non sequiturs. ---------- Post added 22-02-2016 at 09:22 ---------- Duncan Smiths claim that it's more dangerous to remain in the EU is nonsense then,if the borders are coming back up. There are a lot of nonsense arguments floating around. One thing that doesn't change either in or out is the width of the English Channel and the passport control on entry so I'm personally not very concerned about security being an in or out issue. Edited February 22, 2016 by Eric Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I haven't fully made up my mind around that claim to be honest but I do understand the points about losing our Schengen opt-out and less cooperation between police agencies if we leave Why do you think we would be safer out? Because we will have complete control over our boarders, who we allow in and who we deport, our police and security services will continue as they do now talking to and cooperating with the security service from countries all over the world, we won't stop talking to and sharing information with the EU. Our security we be the responsibility of our elected government, they might do a crap job but then we can vote them out of power at the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 You keep saying this but you're not understanding that the UK will trade perfectly well outside the EU, just as it does right now and for the last few thousand years. We don't trade. It isn't the UK or the EU that trades. Individual businesses trade with each other and they will carry on doing that without being in the EU. There are lots of reasons to stay in, but fear mongering about trade isn't one of them. You've bought this trade thing hook line and sinker. Once again it isn't scaremongering or fear mongering or whatever terms you're going to dream up next. Just asking very simple questions that none of you can answer. But OK, if we take any individual business right now there is no clarity about how a Brexit would impact them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 This is more scaremongering. Why would the French police not speak to the UK police about threats less if the UK wasn't in the EU? Do you think that they speak to the USA less because they aren't either? Your arguments are non sequiturs. ---------- Post added 22-02-2016 at 09:22 ---------- There are a lot of nonsense arguments floating around. One thing that doesn't change either in or out is the width of the English Channel and the passport control on entry so I'm personally not very concerned about security being an in or out issue. Duncan Smith is fearmongering then,if borders are going back up,like you have claimed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 We have told you but you don't believe us and just like you we can't prove what we say, you either trust that the UK can function and prosper without the constraints of the EU or you don't. Yeah you're all saying we can continue to trade and you're all correct of course. But once again we need to know what the model will be and how it will impact our economy. It's not rocket science. You've got to have a plan. It might be that the UK goes down some route never tried before but let's hear what it's going to be. ---------- Post added 22-02-2016 at 09:28 ---------- This is more scaremongering. Why would the French police not speak to the UK police about threats less if the UK wasn't in the EU? Do you think that they speak to the USA less because they aren't either? Your arguments are non sequiturs. ---------- Post added 22-02-2016 at 09:22 ---------- There are a lot of nonsense arguments floating around. One thing that doesn't change either in or out is the width of the English Channel and the passport control on entry so I'm personally not very concerned about security being an in or out issue. Not scaremongering Eric. Just the first of thousands of difficult issues that need to addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Once again it isn't scaremongering or fear mongering or whatever terms you're going to dream up next. Just asking very simple questions that none of you can answer. But OK, if we take any individual business right now there is no clarity about how a Brexit would impact them. There is total clarity. It will be no different to trading with anywhere else in the world. The EU won't want to change a thing because the UK market is too valuable. Scotland they could manage without, but not England. If you have ever bought a £1.99 ebay item from China you'll have had a flavour of how much of an issue it is. None. What EU bureaucrats are worried about is Brexit contagion when the citizens in places like Germany see that they don't need the hangers on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Yeah you're all saying we can continue to trade and you're all correct of course. But once again we need to know what the model will be and how it will impact our economy. It's not rocket science. You've got to have a plan. It might be that the UK goes down some route never tried before but let's hear what it's going to be. ---------- Post added 22-02-2016 at 09:28 ---------- Not scaremongering Eric. Just the first of thousands of difficult issues that need to addressed. The model will be determined by the UK's elected government, constantly asking for that which is impossible to give won't get you the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Duncan Smith is fearmongering then,if borders are going back up,like you have claimed? Apparently he is said to favour a tough visa system. The USA already has that but it didn't prevent the massacre of 14 people in San Bernardino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Arthur Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Not scaremongering Eric. Just the first of thousands of difficult issues that need to addressed. We've dealt with your questions about trade and security. Is there something else that is concerning you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 There is total clarity. It will be no different to trading with anywhere else in the world. The EU won't want to change a thing because the UK market is too valuable. Scotland they could manage without, but not England. If you have ever bought a £1.99 ebay item from China you'll have had a flavour of how much of an issue it is. None. What EU bureaucrats are worried about is Brexit contagion when the citizens in places like Germany see that they don't need the hangers on. It's as clear as mud. It surely can't have escaped you how little the EU were willing to offer to keep us in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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