EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[Car Boot]

Reasons to vote REMAIN in the EU referendum:

 

To oppose democracy and accountability.

To support corruption and incompetence.

To support a mass immigration policy which increases hardship and poverty for disadvantaged UK citizens.

[Eric Arthur]

The refugee's entering Europe are invariably from war-torn countries. If those countries hadn't been thrown into chaos much smaller numbers would be trying to get in.

 

What you are doing there is the new version of the White Man's Burden and it's not helpful or even relevant.

 

These countries were a complete basketcase before we got involved. We don't make the muderous regimes in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt. Eritrea, Sudan, etc, etc, etc, but they do drag us in and then we some people get White Man's Burden after the event. It's hugely patronising to the locals who just want to get on with a peaceful life, but don't make the mistake of thinking that it us all Our Fault.

[I1L2T3]

What you are doing there is the new version of the White Man's Burden and it's not helpful or even relevant.

 

These countries were a complete basketcase before we got involved. We don't make the muderous regimes in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt. Eritrea, Sudan, etc, etc, etc, but they do drag us in and then we some people get White Man's Burden after the event. It's hugely patronising to the locals who just want to get on with a peaceful life, but don't make the mistake of thinking that it us all Our Fault.

 

They may have been failed countries in some ways but until they were plunged into conflict were not generating million strong waves of refugees.

 

And yes some of it is our fault. Like it or not.

 

---------- Post added 26-02-2016 at 08:54 ----------

 

I've in the course of my service shot a lot of people out of neccesity. Sorry if it seems 'flipant'. But it may well be needed to shoot people to prevent this third world invaision that will destroy europe. I'm fine with that, are you?

 

I think you've lost the plot. Seriously.

[Eric Arthur]

They may have been failed countries in some ways but until they were plunged into conflict were not generating million strong waves of refugees.

 

And yes some of it is our fault. Like it or not.

 

Get over the White Man's Burden because none of it is Our Fault. It is all Their Fault for persisting with despotic mass murdering regimes. We're just picking up the pieces from their historic national societal incompetence.

[gomgeg]

Get over the White Man's Burden because none of it is Our Fault. It is all Their Fault for persisting with despotic mass murdering regimes. We're just picking up the pieces from their historic national societal incompetence.

You've summed it up again Eric, on the one hand we're being told the UK is responsible for every conflict in the history of the world, and then on the other we need to sort the problems in these disfunctional countries at source. In other words we can't win either way.

[srt2016]

Thousands of passengers are being forced to hop off buses midway through journeys to comply with barmy EU laws. A Brussels ruling has banned local services longer than 30 miles to ensure drivers don’t spend too long at the wheel. As a result, drivers have to pull in as they hit that limit and order everyone off their bus. They then change the route number on the front and invite passengers to jump back on before resuming the trip. …Western Greyhound has split its Newquay to Plymouth route in three — even though it uses a single driver throughout. Passengers must buy three tickets and break their journey twice. Managing director Mark Howarth said: “It’s a farce. We have to kick customers off as soon as the driver hits the 30-mile limit. “Often it’s in the middle of nowhere. Passengers think we’re crazy.”

[nightrider]

It would make a massive difference.

 

Firstly the UK could control its borders as it saw fit without the need to worry about who had the right to enter or not, as technically no one without a passport would have a right.

As you said EU citizens would no longer have automatic right of abode here, nor would the influx of non EU migrants who are granted EU citizenship by the various nation states.

 

Not sure what you mean - I travel overseas at least once a month and have never been able to enter the UK from the EU without showing a passport. So you currently do need a passport to enter the UK.

 

I see you claim Ireland is some kind of loophole - but even from there I have needed a passport to enter the UK and even if there is a loophole it is unclear to me why it would be necessary to leave the EU to close it. We could close it now if we would like to.

 

I don't think a very large fraction of immigrants from the EU are people who have gained citizenship recently (and I have seen numbers quoted within the last week in the Sunday Times backing that up). Mostly they are born eastern europeans, from EU countries, looking for work.

 

Non-EU immigrants would still come here even if we leave the EU because we are happy to let them in now, and that won't change if we leave the EU because they don't come here by getting EU citizenship - they come because we let them do so to study or work in skilled jobs.

 

So I don't think leaving the EU will have much impact on non-EU immigration, only potentially on EU immigration (but if we do that we may end up having to repatriate a lot of UK ex-pats in the EU, because the EU won't take a block from us without retaliation).

[chalga]

Thousands of passengers are being forced to hop off buses midway through journeys to comply with barmy EU laws. A Brussels ruling has banned local services longer than 30 miles to ensure drivers don’t spend too long at the wheel. As a result, drivers have to pull in as they hit that limit and order everyone off their bus. They then change the route number on the front and invite passengers to jump back on before resuming the trip. …Western Greyhound has split its Newquay to Plymouth route in three — even though it uses a single driver throughout. Passengers must buy three tickets and break their journey twice. Managing director Mark Howarth said: “It’s a farce. We have to kick customers off as soon as the driver hits the 30-mile limit. “Often it’s in the middle of nowhere. Passengers think we’re crazy.”

 

They are crazy,even First would would be proud of Mark Howarth,there's got to a job waiting for him with them.........how can Newquayto Plymouth be a local service........they're taking their passengers for a ride,well,except when they're kicking them off for no reason.

Edited February 26, 2016 by chalga

[Eater Sundae]

Thousands of passengers are being forced to hop off buses midway through journeys to comply with barmy EU laws. A Brussels ruling has banned local services longer than 30 miles to ensure drivers don’t spend too long at the wheel. As a result, drivers have to pull in as they hit that limit and order everyone off their bus. They then change the route number on the front and invite passengers to jump back on before resuming the trip. …Western Greyhound has split its Newquay to Plymouth route in three — even though it uses a single driver throughout. Passengers must buy three tickets and break their journey twice. Managing director Mark Howarth said: “It’s a farce. We have to kick customers off as soon as the driver hits the 30-mile limit. “Often it’s in the middle of nowhere. Passengers think we’re crazy.”

 

Do you know what directive that is? National Buses operate over much longer distances without that. If its over 30 miles, is it still a "local" service.

 

Edit. No need, I've found it.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Eater Sundae

[srt2016]

British shoppers are to be banned from buying eggs by the dozen under new regulations approved by the European Parliament.

 

For the first time, eggs and *other products such as oranges and bread rolls will be sold by weight instead of by the number contained in a packet.