Havanaclub Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 It a small amount compared to the total coming into the UK. The problem started in the 90s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_immigration_to_the_United_Kingdom#/media/File:UK_Migration_1970-2013.svg From your link foreign born population of the UK. 4,767,000 born outside the EU 2,245,000 born in the EU Immigration from outside the EU is easy to stop. Our governments could stop it tomorrow. They just don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I would vote to leave, because the pressure caused by a higher population is not being met. The Government promise to build houses, but nothing happens, we are/were meant to have a broken society, but the youngsters that should be getting jobs are being pushed out by foreigners. When employers want more staff and they find recruiting difficult; do they increase the remuneration or train their own staff? No, they advertise abroad and get cheap labour. For now I can't think of a better answer than this. ---------- Post added 11-06-2015 at 07:43 ---------- There are about as many Britons living in other EU countries as EU migrants in the UK. So, if you want EU migrants to leave, you'll end up with just as many people being sent back to the UK. No there aren't, but if there are, that's a matter for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 There are about as many Britons living in other EU countries as EU migrants in the UK. So, if you want EU migrants to leave, you'll end up with just as many people being sent back to the UK. but they would probably be putting money back into the economy instead of taking out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 We need to stay as an integral part of the single market. Given the scale of our trade with the EU it would be suicide to leave. The idea that we would just trade with the rest of the world instead is overstated - the EU has never stopped us trading with the rest of the world. To change to a different trading profile would require fundamental economic changes for us the nature of which cannot be properly comprehended right now because the global economic landscape is changing so quickly. Even leaving and remaining part of the single market does not really address the reasons for leaving. We would still be in hock to EU law, still have to accept movement of people, would still have to contribute to the EU budget but would have no influence over EU laws. Cameron has the right approach and that is to seek renegotiation with the underlying base assumption that we will be remaining as members. IMO our fundamental aim should be to remain as members, retain our trading status but seek detachment from greater political and fiscal union. Basically force the EU to move to a two speed model where we take the slow lane for the bits that require ever tighter integration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 From your link foreign born population of the UK. 4,767,000 born outside the EU 2,245,000 born in the EU Immigration from outside the EU is easy to stop. Our governments could stop it tomorrow. They just don't want to. Correct, but it is the main reason why people will vote to leave the EU, ironic, isn't it? Nothing will change in terms of immigration, people who think it will need to wake up to the fact that the economy needs a diverse labour-force and that isn't being offered by the population as is, these are the same people claiming there are no jobs (unemployment is incredibly low, especially compared globally). Fortunately leaving the EU would of course also damage the economy at which point immigration might well stop all of its own accord. How that will help anybody is a complete unknown though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) but they would probably be putting money back into the economy instead of taking out They could be arriving back here with just the clothes on their back. Imagine what would happen to the prices of their properties when a couple of million Brits have to sell up overnight. They'll be coming back expecting to be housed and with a more elderly age profile will immediately strain health services. Those of working age will be looking for jobs that won't exist. Basically you swap a couple of million hard working, healthy, tax paying EU immigrants for a couple of million more elderly Brit returnees who need housing and healthcare. Nobody pro-exit has thought this through. Edited June 11, 2015 by I1L2T3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 but they would probably be putting money back into the economy instead of taking out Keep this one up ricgem - problem is that immigrants put more in than they take out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 We need to stay as an integral part of the single market. Given the scale of our trade with the EU it would be suicide to leave. The idea that we would just trade with the rest of the world instead is overstated - the EU has never stopped us trading with the rest of the world. To change to a different trading profile would require fundamental economic changes for us the nature of which cannot be properly comprehended right now because the global economic landscape is changing so quickly. Even leaving and remaining part of the single market does not really address the reasons for leaving. We would still be in hock to EU law, still have to accept movement of people, would still have to contribute to the EU budget but would have no influence over EU laws. Cameron has the right approach and that is to seek renegotiation with the underlying base assumption that we will be remaining as members. IMO our fundamental aim should be to remain as members, retain our trading status but seek detachment from greater political and fiscal union. Basically force the EU to move to a two speed model where we take the slow lane for the bits that require ever tighter integration. I'm for out, but if we stay in then it should be full integration, one state, one government, one benefit system, one NHS, same rules and wages across the entire European state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Keep this one up ricgem - problem is that immigrants put more in than they take out. not the ones in page hall and other areas of the country (even you agreed with me about this the other day ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 not the ones in page hall and other areas of the country (even you agreed with me about this the other day ) Yes and I am entirely certain that I explained a million times by now that the people in Pagehall are not representative of the immigrant population from the EU, but no matter how often I do, people like you will always be ready to point to Pagehall, weird that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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