EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[L00b]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11216061

 

Who benefits most from the CAP?

 

Overall, farmers in the 15 older EU member states benefit much more from the CAP than the newer members.

 

Nationally France benefits most, with about 17% of CAP payments, followed by Spain (13%), then Germany (12%), Italy (10.6%) and the UK (7%).

That's a link to a 2013 news report by a generic non-specialist (BBC), when truman's link is to a late 2015 piece by a specialist outfit with a vested interest to criticise and reform the PAC, quoting figures based on the EU's own PAC statistics (linked in the piece).

 

I therefore suggest that you look at truman's link, rather than post redundant information which, moreover, does not help your argument (the UK indeed includes such "farmers in the 15 older EU member states" who "benefit much more from the CAP than the newer members", since the UK is indeed one of these "15 older EU member states": it was part of the first enlargement of 1973).

 

truman's link says all that needs to be said about how much the UK 'loses' to other EU member states through PAC redistribution, i.e. less than peanuts (-shells).

[Berberis]

The latest YouGov poll puts the remain campaign in the lead by 4points, but there is a large number of undecided who can swing this result to a Leave victory.

 

YouGov / Times EU referendum voting intention:

 

Remain 44%

Leave 40%

Would not vote 3%

Don't know 12%

[Lex Luthor]

Could someone please help to shed some light on a question I have?

 

The majority of pro Brexiters I have heard have given immigration as their main reason for wanting to leave.

 

I heard that one of the countries that have voted out (Norway?) has had to keep their borders open to EU immigrants as part of a deal that they are allowed to keep trading within the EU. Is this true?

 

I wanted to get further clarification on this because if it is true, the overwhelming number of people who would be voting out of the EU in an attempt to reduce further immigration might be voting under false pretences and that would be a huge thing.

[sutty27]

Could someone please help to shed some light on a question I have?

 

The majority of pro Brexiters I have heard have given immigration as their main reason for wanting to leave.

 

I heard that one of the countries that have voted out (Norway?) has had to keep their borders open to EU immigrants as part of a deal that they are allowed to keep trading within the EU. Is this true?

 

I wanted to get further clarification on this because if it is true, the overwhelming number of people who would be voting out of the EU in an attempt to reduce further immigration might be voting under false pretences and that would be a huge thing.

 

No it isn't true.

[L00b]

Could someone please help to shed some light on a question I have?

 

The majority of pro Brexiters I have heard have given immigration as their main reason for wanting to leave.

 

I heard that one of the countries that have voted out (Norway?) has had to keep their borders open to EU immigrants as part of a deal that they are allowed to keep trading within the EU. Is this true?

 

I wanted to get further clarification on this because if it is true, the overwhelming number of people who would be voting out of the EU in an attempt to reduce further immigration might be voting under false pretences and that would be a huge thing.

It is true, because Norway joined both the EFTA and the EEA (and the freedom of movement of people is one of the 4 core pillars of the EEA, to the same extent as the EU). Note that I'm not confusing freedom of movement of the EEA with Schengen (which Norway joined freely by referendum).

 

It would have been different, had Norway kept to EFTA membership only, instead (which does not include freedom of movement to the same extent as the EEA: see e.g. Switzerland which EFTA-only, not EEA as well).

 

EEA membership for the UK would be the worst-possible negotiation scenario post-Brexit.

Edited May 19, 2016 by L00b
Minor edits for clarification

[I1L2T3]

No it isn't true.

 

Been to Oslo recently?

[andyofborg]

Could someone please help to shed some light on a question I have?

 

The majority of pro Brexiters I have heard have given immigration as their main reason for wanting to leave.

 

I heard that one of the countries that have voted out (Norway?) has had to keep their borders open to EU immigrants as part of a deal that they are allowed to keep trading within the EU. Is this true?

 

I wanted to get further clarification on this because if it is true, the overwhelming number of people who would be voting out of the EU in an attempt to reduce further immigration might be voting under false pretences and that would be a huge thing.

 

freedom of movement is part of the deal norway signed to gain access to the single market.

 

it's very unlikely that a post-exit uk would gain full access to the single market without also accepting freedom of movement.

 

of course, there are alternative deals which a post-exit uk could strike which limits free movement and limits access to the single market.

 

regardless of the deal struck in the brexit fantasy world the reality is that there is absolutly no indication that immigration either from eu or non-eu countries would be any less than what it is now.

 

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Been to Oslo recently?

 

if we have a whip round can we send him?

[sutty27]

Been to Oslo recently?

 

No it isn't true, Norway would have been allowed to keep trading within the EU without the free movement of people.

[andyofborg]

No it isn't true, Norway would have been allowed to keep trading within the EU without the free movement of people.

 

indeed but a condition of full access to the single market is free movement of people

[JFKvsNixon]

if we have a whip round can we send him?

 

Unfortunately I believe that MrSmith would still be able to access Sheffield Forum from Oslo.