EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[Tomjames]

Deutsche Boerse shareholders will own 54.4%. LSE shareholders will own the remaining 45.6%. I think the Germans can do whatever they want.

 

Also, German politicans are already influencing the merger to be headquartered in Frankfurt.

 

What proof have you got to say otherwise? Just like the rest of the Leave campaign just disregarding things you don't like to hear.

 

Thats not proof. That's an assumption. More scaremongering.

 

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The thing that worries me most is the feeling I get that we're not being told something really important that they feel we can't be trusted with, and instead we're being fobbed off/placated with little bits of fairly irelevant useless information. Or is that just me?

 

We're being fobbed off with cheap flights. The EU has Contempt for the British public.

[JFKvsNixon]

We're being fobbed off with cheap flights. The EU has Contempt for the British public.

 

So once more the Brexit argument returns to - you can't trust foreigners.

[Tomjames]

 

 

 

we trade with all these places now and that wont change if we stay or leave.

 

however, the core of this little debate is whether or not London would remain a key financial centre if it was cut off from EU money and it's not at all certain that it would.

 

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No, this is the point retainers are missing....All those places are huge financial markets and trade outwardly with the rest of the world. Non of those places are in EU!

 

It's like Europe has you under a spell, that we somehow need to be in this trading bloc to prosper. It's the slowest growing trading bloc in the world!

 

Look at the fastest growing countries. India & China...I could go on.

 

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So once more the Brexit argument returns to - you can't trust foreigners.

 

It's not that. It's the fact the EU institution pay us off with cheaper flights and lower roaming charges in return for a raw deal and anti democracy.

 

I'm not anti the rest of europe. I'm anti EU superstate.

[JFKvsNixon]

No, this is the point retainers are missing....All those places are huge financial markets and trade outwardly with the rest of the world. Non of those places are in EU!

 

It's like Europe has you under a spell, that we somehow need to be in this trading bloc to prosper. It's the slowest growing trading bloc in the world!

 

Look at the fastest growing countries. India & China...I could go on.

 

The EU's the biggest economy in the world, and as such it's clout is far bigger in negotiating trade deals with India and China. As it would negotiating trade deals with the UK in the event of a Brexit.

[L00b]

Thats not proof. That's an assumption.

The facts that Deutsche Boerse shareholders will own 54.4% and LSE shareholders will own the remaining 45.6%, and that German politicians have started to influence for the HQ to be based in Frankfurt are well documented with evidence and attributed quotes in the press (Guardian, Independent, FT, <etc.>).

 

There's no assumption about that whatsoever, it's completely factual.

Look at the fastest growing countries. India & China

You forgot Brazil and Russia to make a full BRIC.

 

All shining examples of worker and human rights, social development and parity, and wealth equality

 

Do you really want the UK to race down to their level? Careful that you don't get what you wish for with a Brexit.

Edited May 20, 2016 by L00b

[Tomjames]

The EU's the biggest economy in the world, and as such it's clout is far bigger in negotiating trade deals with India and China. As it would negotiating trade deals with the UK in the event of a Brexit.

 

Switzerland has trading deals 8 times the size of the EU. Maybe if the superstate was less beaurocratic it would , and the UK in turn, be more outward looking.

It's great for Big Business as they can lobby the EU for favourable terms. Bad for everyone else.

[L00b]

Switzerland has trading deals 8 times the size of the EU. Maybe if the superstate was less beaurocratic it would , and the UK in turn, be more outward looking.

It's great for Big Business as they can lobby the EU for favourable terms. Bad for everyone else.

Have a read to try and help you put that myth to bed once and for all.

 

It's in your own interest as a British citizen residing in the UK.

Reliance on London for access to European capital markets

 

Despite there being no comprehensive services accord, the Swiss financial sector has, so far, benefitted from largely unfettered access to the EU market, often through its presence in London. New EU regulations could change this. Tighter regulations would mean third countries constantly having to amend their parallel legislation, in line with any changes in Single Market legislation, in order to maintain equivalence over the course of time.

 

A means of moving closer to the EU

 

Switzerland’s bilateral approach has been a means of moving closer to the EU rather than maintaining distance – and around 40% of Swiss legislation derives from EU rules.

 

Access to EU markets

 

Maintaining Switzerland’s level of access to the Single Market requires continual closeness to the EU. A Free Trade agreement is not sufficient, especially for the financial sector. Maintaining access to European capital markets necessitates formal agreements and parallel legislation to that of the EU.

 

Overall

 

The Swiss approach is an exception, developed over time, rather than a formal model, and is a means of closer engagement with the EU. Forgoing complete access to the Single Market has had implications for the Swiss financial services sector, namely through the associated necessity of establishing operations in London, and has reduced Switzerland’s ability to engage in EU policy making.

 

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6 Concluding comments

 

Swiss relations with the EU are complicated, multifaceted and increasingly uncertain. They are an exception, created out of past Swiss need, policy and politics, developed over time and through a process of negotiation. Swiss financial services firms face a significant amount of legal insecurity and multiple but ‘equivalent’ regulatory regimes. They depend on subsidiaries located in London and other European financial services centres to conduct cross-border business with EU member states, unless a formal bilateral agreement including financial services is negotiated (as a stand-alone arrangement or as part of a package deal).

 

As an approach, Swiss relationships with the EU are not a formal ‘model’, and the Swiss approach does not lend itself to being readily replicated. Moreover, Switzerland has embarked on a continuing process of informal Europeanisation to keep the country close to the EU where necessary – the approach therefore involves remaining closely connected to the EU rather than keeping a distance.

Edited May 20, 2016 by L00b

[Tomjames]

The facts that Deutsche Boerse shareholders will own 54.4% and LSE shareholders will own the remaining 45.6%, and that German politicians have started to influence for the HQ to be based in Frankfurt are well documented with evidence and attributed quotes in the press (Guardian, Independent, FT, <etc.>).

 

There's no assumption about that whatsoever, it's completely factual.

You forgot Brazil and Russia to make a full BRIC.

 

All shining examples of worker and human rights, social development and parity, and wealth equality

 

Do you really want the UK to race down to their level? Careful that you don't get what you wish for with a Brexit.

 

Do you trade with India? I've been doing some digging last few months as I work with Indian companies....its 100 tines better according to reports. The growth is astronomical. Although with a huge population and continent there is still poverty. It takes time.

 

China has more billionaires than anywhere now.

 

Brazil is the same. Big growth. Although it's not perfect and still lots of corruption.

 

If we are talking economically the evidence & the fact these countries can trade with absolutely anyone means we have to leave the EU to grow. The potential for growth is massive!

[JFKvsNixon]

Switzerland has trading deals 8 times the size of the EU. Maybe if the superstate was less beaurocratic it would , and the UK in turn, be more outward looking.

It's great for Big Business as they can lobby the EU for favourable terms. Bad for everyone else.

 

Could you qualify that please.

 

According to the CBI, currently the EU gives UK companies preferential access to over 50 countries outside of the EU, Switzerland has trade deals providing access to 38 countries.

 

Let's look at Switzerland's deal with China. The Switzerland-China trade deal gives China immediate access to Swiss markets but Switzerland has to wait 15 years for access to Chinese markets.

 

Maybe being like Switzerland wouldn't be the greatest thing in the world.

[Tomjames]

Have a read to try and help you put that myth to bed once and for all.

 

It's in your own interest as a British citizen residing in the UK.

 

I agree. All it says is the Swiss keep close to the EU.

We would have to do the same. We have to negotiate with all these trading blocs and places of interest.

There would be a period of uncertainty at first, most economists agree. Let's be more confident and long termist.

This is a vote for 40 years or more not 5 years.

 

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Could you qualify that please.

 

According to the CBI, currently the EU gives UK companies preferential access to over 50 countries outside of the EU, Switzerland has trade deals providing access to 38 countries.

 

Let's look at Switzerland's deal with China. The Switzerland-China trade deal gives China immediate access to Swiss markets but Switzerland has to wait 15 years for access to Chinese markets.

 

Maybe being like Switzerland wouldn't be the greatest thing in the world.

 

We are not going to be like Switzerland. We are going to be the UK! You are going round the houses. Have a good day.