andyofborg Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I never thought being white, Yorkshire born, English would mean I am politically incorrect in my own country. not sure why those things mean you are politically incorrect. i'm white, english and lincolnshire born and i'm not politically incorrect. maybe it's a yorkshire thing... We are building now on farmland. Lots of farmland. we could build on brownfield sites but it's cheaper to build on green field sites and the building firms want to maximise their own profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 they didn't propose a living wage, it's just a slightly higher minumum wage and at the same time made the independent comission which set the minumum wage pointless and placed the setting of the floor in wages at the whim of a politician Whatever the figures are, I was making the point it's funny how europe never solved this problem. The truth is any central Uk government can create employment policy. We don't need an unelected government in Belgium to do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Fine. But we can't reform Brussels. If we could I would be all for that. We have a far greater chance of reforming the EU inside than out. Don't blame the EU for our lack of influence, blame the inept MEPs and governments who wanted the UK to be on the fringes of the UK. When can you change anything from the fringes. ---------- Post added 20-05-2016 at 14:19 ---------- Whatever the figures are, I was making the point it's funny how europe never solved this problem. The truth is any central Uk government can create employment policy. We don't need an unelected government in Belgium to do that! Maybe the EU didn't solve the problem because it's not some socialist superstate that many believe it to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Ask yourselves this: [*]An unelected council making decisions about us every day that we can't vetoe This crops up over and over and it's just plain wrong. The unelected council you mention are the Eurocrats, which do make decisions, but ALL of their decisions have to be agreed by the MEP's before they are implemented. In the exact same way Civil Servants draft legislation that our own MP's vote on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 We have a far greater chance of reforming the EU inside than out. Don't blame the EU for our lack of influence, blame the inept MEPs and governments who wanted the UK to be on the fringes of the UK. When can you change anything from the fringes. ---------- Post added 20-05-2016 at 14:19 ---------- The lack of influence is down to two things, 1 the undemocratic voting processes of the european council 2 the EU hates us ---------- Post added 20-05-2016 at 14:32 ---------- Maybe the EU didn't solve the problem because it's not some socialist superstate that many believe it to be? Why should the EU even have opportunity to pass down laws? we can make our own! ---------- Post added 20-05-2016 at 14:32 ---------- This crops up over and over and it's just plain wrong. The unelected council you mention are the Eurocrats, which do make decisions, but ALL of their decisions have to be agreed by the MEP's before they are implemented. In the exact same way Civil Servants draft legislation that our own MP's vote on. havent we lost 72 votes out of 72? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 The lack of influence is down to two things, 1 the undemocratic voting processes of the european council 2 the EU hates us 1) most things in the council rely on a majority vote thats hardly undemocratic 2) no they don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1) most things in the council rely on a majority vote thats hardly undemocratic 2) no they don't We are always on the side of the minority due to how the votes are constructed. ---------- Post added 20-05-2016 at 14:41 ---------- We always lose when we try and vote against the popular vote....so much for democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 The lack of influence is down to two things, 1 the undemocratic voting processes of the european council 2 the EU hates us So once more we are back to the evil foreigner argument. It seems like some of the Brexit supporters can't go more than a couple of pages on SF without reverting back to type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) So once more we are back to the evil foreigner argument. It seems like some of the Brexit supporters can't go more than a couple of pages on SF without reverting back to type. Why are foreigners evil? i never said that. Love europe and the rest of the world. DIslike the EU. The problem is you can't discriminate between a criticism of an institution and racism / xenophobia. It's OK as many other people cannot see the difference either! Edited May 20, 2016 by Tomjames evil foreigners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) The lack of influence is down to two things, 1 the undemocratic voting processes of the european council 2 the EU hates us 1 The European Council has no legislative power in and of itself, all it can do is propose laws. The European Parliament has legislative power. 2 I'd ask you to prove that, but you can't, so I'm going to give that nonsensical claim all the attention it merits: none Why should the EU even have opportunity to pass down laws?The EU is a club of nations. What's the point of a club without rules? None. How can the club work without rules? It can't. we can make our own!And we sure do. 3 tons of it. You looked at the UK's tax legislation recently? havent we lost 72 votes out of 72?Nope, we've lost 56 out of 2592. And we won 2466 out of 2592 Edited May 20, 2016 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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