gomgeg Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 The problem is that the in's don't have the capacity to distinguish between immigrants that are positive contributors and immigrants that are negative contributors, its all or nothing with them. Yep, not many people have a problem with as you say 'positive contributors' but staying in means unrestricted access. Also after George Osborns statement that leaving will drive down house prices why would anyone worrying about high housing costs vote to stay in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0cbt Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Yep, not many people have a problem with as you say 'positive contributors' but staying in means unrestricted access. Also after George Osborns statement that leaving will drive down house prices why would anyone worrying about high housing costs vote to stay in? Even Moody's the credit agency have come out and said,Brexit will help the first time buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) Even Moody's the credit agency have come out and said,Brexit will help the first time buyers. The people most likely to vote to stay are the people most likely to benefit if we leave. Ratings agency says fall in house prices and less competition triggered by vote to leave EU would make homes more affordable https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/19/first-time-buyers-brexit-moodys-eu-referendum Lord Rose, the head of the campaign to keep Britain in the European Union, suggests that wages of low skilled workers could rise in the event of a Brexit http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12181385/Wages-for-British-workers-will-rise-in-the-event-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign-says.html Wages will rise if Britain votes to leave the European Union and the number of EU migrants coming to the UK falls, the head of the “in” campaign has admitted. Lord Rose, the former head of Marks & Spencer who is leading the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign, told MPs on Wednesday that if a British exit leads to restrictions on EU migrants, then “the price of labour will, frankly, go up”. Edited May 21, 2016 by sutty27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASGOWOODS Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Here children! It's din dins time. Both sides for your perusal...https://fullfact.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Another bleeding heart liberal. So sad i'm a bleeding heart liberal and proud of the fact i certainly wouldn't want to be some of the alternatives displayed on here ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 18:43 ---------- It would be substantially more accountable than it is now and we wouldn't be isolated. why would it be more accountable? ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 18:46 ---------- I notice its the over 40s who want brexit. i'm well over 40 and i dont want brexit Who wants to go back to the UK as it was back in the 1990s they want to go back to some rose tinted fantasy version of the 1950's The time is not to pull up the drawbridge or be glaring of the white cliffs of Dover, now is the time to be welcoming everyone for a more tolerant, welcoming UK. very true ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 18:52 ---------- The problem is that the in's don't have the capacity to distinguish between immigrants that are positive contributors and immigrants that are negative contributors, its all or nothing with them. i'm quite capable of distinguishing between the two thank you very much ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 18:59 ---------- Yep, not many people have a problem with as you say 'positive contributors' but staying in means unrestricted access. Also after George Osborns statement that leaving will drive down house prices why would anyone worrying about high housing costs vote to stay in? because the uk economy is built on the insame premise that house prices will always rise if osbournes 18% fall comes true then it might help first time buyers but it will destroy movers. the average house price is something like £190k, an 18% fall would leave a mover having to find almost £40k to redeem their existing mortgage before they start looking at how they will fund the purchase of their new property. ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 19:01 ---------- .... then “the price of labour will, frankly, go up”. which means prices go up, you only have too look at the number of people on here who whine about paying more than 10p for anything to know how much of an issue that would cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) because the uk economy is built on the insame premise that house prices will always rise if osbournes 18% fall comes true then it might help first time buyers but it will destroy movers. the average house price is something like £190k, an 18% fall would leave a mover having to find almost £40k to redeem their existing mortgage before they start looking at how they will fund the purchase of their new property. Assuming they didn't put a deposit down and they haven't managed to pay down any of the debt and assuming that it hasn't risen in price since they bought it. So very few people will be in that siltation, it just means the gains they have made over the past 3 years will be wiped out. Edited May 21, 2016 by sutty27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 The problem is that the in's don't have the capacity to distinguish between immigrants that are positive contributors and immigrants that are negative contributors, its all or nothing with them. It isn't a problem, in general they help the economy. Your position is similar to stating one heart attack is not the same as the other,because one patient makes more money than the other. The real problem is that the outs are treating immigration like it is a bad thing, without understanding that a closed border equals an exit of the single market, which unequivocally means a crisis in the UK economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukes Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 The most pressing issue with immigration is that foreign EU nationals are job blocking positions that unemployed UK nationals should be filling. Jukes x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 It isn't a problem, in general they help the economy. Your position is similar to stating one heart attack is not the same as the other,because one patient makes more money than the other. The real problem is that the outs are treating immigration like it is a bad thing, without understanding that a closed border equals an exit of the single market, which unequivocally means a crisis in the UK economy. You prove my point, Some immigration is good for the economy, good for the immigrants, good for some members of the population but not always good for everyone. Some immigration is bad for the economy with the only beneficiaries being the immigrants. With a sensible immigration policy the positive would out way the negative by cutting the number in the second group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Bookies have it clearly slipping away from the leave campaign Remain now 1/7 from 2/5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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