sutty27 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 No they aren't what? Oh come on Zamo... Sutty, if that was the case, how is unemployment low and the economy growing, it doesn't tally up, nor does the argument that ongoing trade is the same as being a part of the single market. How many warning signs do you need? Or are you just going to carry on through red lights as if they don't exist? Unemployment isn't low 1.69 million people unemployed, 9 millions part time workers of which 3 million want more hours. If being in the EU was good for the economy and employment why is there mass unemployment across the EU and why is its economy struggling. Europe's largest economies will struggle to remain members of the world's elite economic club as UK races ahead. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12068319/Booming-Britain-to-become-worlds-fourth-largest-economy-as-France-and-Italy-face-G8-exclusion.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I saw a very interesting documentary called "Brexit The Movie" last night. Its available free on YouTube. I would recommend to everyone that they watch it, its only a little longer than an hour. Some say it is better to have a voice in the EU, rather than being outside of it. But in actual fact every single time we have voted against a new rule we lost the vote, and the rule went through regardless. Every.. Single.. Time.. So what is the point of having a voice that is ignored? Another massive point the film made, was this vote is a once in a life time decision. Its not like a general election where if you make the wrong choice you get another vote in 4 or 5 years time. What was especially interesting about that 'documentary' was how it failed to point out that each time the UK wanted something the vote went their way in most cases. It also failed to mention the countless situations where the UK opted out and did not hav to implement rules. It is called influence, and leaving the EU but staying in the single market means that influence is left behind, creating the situation the documentary described. Leaving the single market to avoid that situation will lead to economic decline as highlighted by the majority of large businesses operating in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Britain stronger in Europe is even advertising on here. Are we paying for that as well as the booklet? I'm voting OUT. If only there was more people like you. Those that can see beyond the propaganda. ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 20:16 ---------- I saw a very interesting documentary called "Brexit The Movie" last night. Its available free on YouTube. I would recommend to everyone that they watch it, its only a little longer than an hour. Some say it is better to have a voice in the EU, rather than being outside of it. But in actual fact every single time we have voted against a new rule we lost the vote, and the rule went through regardless. Every.. Single.. Time.. So what is the point of having a voice that is ignored? Another massive point the film made, was this vote is a once in a life time decision. Its not like a general election where if you make the wrong choice you get another vote in 4 or 5 years time. Good film. Not totally accurate. It's a good flavour of where all the money and power is centred and how we can win it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Why are english employers advertising for 'manual' workers in Poland (and not in England) just to mention one country? Employers only want cheap labour, no matter who they are. in europe they will get them. no reflection on the Polish. Presumably,they think it's better for their business.There is a UK government that sets minimum wages,if they are willing to let UK workers be undercut by businesses bringing in cheap labour,then they should either enforce or change the laws that they are responsible for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Bookies have it clearly slipping away from the leave campaign Remain now 1/7 from 2/5 Yes. There's a 6 point difference in the polls. Pigs will fly if we brexit now. 9 million of the publics money has gone into saving camerons hide, the cookie cutter neo liberal survives! ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 20:23 ---------- i'm a bleeding heart liberal and proud of the fact i certainly wouldn't want to be some of the alternatives displayed on here ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 18:43 ---------- why would it be more accountable? ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 18:46 ---------- i'm well over 40 and i dont want brexit they want to go back to some rose tinted fantasy version of the 1950's very true ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 18:52 ---------- i'm quite capable of distinguishing between the two thank you very much ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 18:59 ---------- because the uk economy is built on the insame premise that house prices will always rise if osbournes 18% fall comes true then it might help first time buyers but it will destroy movers. the average house price is something like £190k, an 18% fall would leave a mover having to find almost £40k to redeem their existing mortgage before they start looking at how they will fund the purchase of their new property. ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 19:01 ---------- which means prices go up, you only have too look at the number of people on here who whine about paying more than 10p for anything to know how much of an issue that would cause. How does it destroy movers? Surely if it's an 18% fall all houses will be cheaper and there will be more incentives. ---------- Post added 21-05-2016 at 20:25 ---------- Presumably,they think it's better for their business.There is a UK government that sets minimum wages,if they are willing to let UK workers be undercut by businesses bringing in cheap labour,then they should either enforce or change the laws that they are responsible for. Like capping immigration? Oh hang on there's a problem here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Another massive point the film made, was this vote is a once in a life time decision. Its not like a general election where if you make the wrong choice you get another vote in 4 or 5 years time. And yet Nigel Farage is already taking about a second referendum if we vote to remain. Lets face it, the leave campaigners know they only have to win a referendum once, the remain camp have to win every time, so they'll keep trying for them regardless of the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Like capping immigration? Oh hang on there's a problem here... Like enforcing,or changing the minimum wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidley Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Presumably,they think it's better for their business.There is a UK government that sets minimum wages,if they are willing to let UK workers be undercut by businesses bringing in cheap labour,then they should either enforce or change the laws that they are responsible for. europe is a free labour market, and jobs even high paid jobs will go to anybody in europe that fits the bill, and works for the lowest wages. What you are voting for in the referendum is more, alot more of what we have been getting for the last 5 - 10 years . Make what you will of this link. https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=eu+tells+britain+to+build+more+houses+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 How does it destroy movers? Surely if it's an 18% fall all houses will be cheaper and there will be more incentives. People are irrational about house prices. It's worth noting though that those who will be harmed by falling prices are those who are older - either in their final property or who expect to downsize in the future. This group are more likely to vote exit so the warning is targeted at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 People are irrational about house prices. It's worth noting though that those who will be harmed by falling prices are those who are older - either in their final property or who expect to downsize in the future. This group are more likely to vote exit so the warning is targeted at them. What they don't get though is that we are more concerned for our future generations than we are for ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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