altus Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 If more are voting out than in on here, I take that as very good news I suggest you look at the odds bookies are giving they are likely to be far more accurate than a poll on Sheffield Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Missed this earlier. If we keep taking Pagehall as the benchmark we might as well not bother, so stop doing that. Simple fact is that housing in Pagehall was available at a discount for a reason. Whether that was the already large and significant Pakistani community, or the fact it was skewed towards council-funded homes is irrelevant. In my perfectly mediocre street in Hillsborough/Middlewood, the majority of foreigners are highly educated, either they are employed by the University, the NHS or one of many IT firms. We recently visited a professor in Ranmoor, their neighbours were Russian, Serbian, American and german, all living in houses well in excess of 600k. I have Dutch, Indian, Arab, Ugandan and Nigerian friends (and many other nationalities) that earn well above national average, most being top rate tax payers. But keep regressing to the minimum, because that really is the truth (apparently) That's YOUR experience of immigration and it sounds pretty good. However, down the road at page hall the experience is going to be very different. Surely you should vote on how it you perceive the impact of immigration on you rather than how it works for someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlc Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 It certainly does, but only about your ignorance. Winston Churchill was very much pro-Europe. If churchill was here today i would put money on a out vote ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig12 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) its obviously a yes vote as the tory boys are scaring everyone to death but try this the torys signed up for bank bail ins at the g20 summit look it up it came into effect january this year Edited May 23, 2016 by craig12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 In my opinion it doesn't matter how we vote the government has decreed that we won't leave the EU. The vote will be manipulated by the government ensuring that we stay in, much like the Scottish Independence vote was fixed by the conservative government last year. About as much democracy in this vote as in the EU council. The government cannot afford to lose and won't let us leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 About as much democracy in this vote as in the EU council. The government cannot afford to lose and won't let us leave. Isn't it a bit early to start with the conspiracy theories as to why people voted to remain - the referendum is over a month away after all. At the very least it won't encourage undecided voters to vote leave if even people really keen on the idea don't think they'll win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Greener Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Why are people so keen to end this nation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 You've seen all the links before and you dismissed them, its pointless. You might not have seen this one though. A hospital spent £181,000 treating a single illegal immigrant, it was reported on Sunday night. Details of the patient’s bill emerged amid claims that the NHS was failing to collect millions of pounds from foreign nationals using its services. And a leading cancer specialist said no healthcare system could cope with the strain the NHS was put under by treating migrants, saying it was "absolutely unsustainable". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12199883/NHS-spent-181000-treating-just-one-illegal-immigrant.html Immigrants have cost the taxpayer more than £22 million a day since the mid-1990s, totting up a bill of more than £140 billion, according to a new report. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10693022/Immigrants-cost-Britain-3000-a-year-each-says-report.html I've never seen any of these links before, although I have seen links to reputable academic studies that suggest a net fiscal benefit from immigration. Nearly every case in the first article you linked to are clearly from outside the EU and nothing to do with EU immigration. You've lost the plot on that one. If they were from the EU then so what? Health services are reciprocated for Britons in other EU countries, according to local rules of course. This is a more balanced report than the second Telegraph one which just provides a cheap platform for some hyperbole from MigrationWatch http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/inconvenient-truth-ucl-migration-study-says-nothing-about-uk-immigration-low-pay-1473326 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutty27 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I've never seen any of these links before, although I have seen links to reputable academic studies that suggest a net fiscal benefit from immigration. Nearly every case in the first article you linked to are clearly from outside the EU and nothing to do with EU immigration. You've lost the plot on that one. If they were from the EU then so what? Health services are reciprocated for Britons in other EU countries, according to local rules of course. This is a more balanced report than the second Telegraph one which just provides a cheap platform for some hyperbole from MigrationWatch http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/inconvenient-truth-ucl-migration-study-says-nothing-about-uk-immigration-low-pay-1473326 It was very clear from my posts that I was talking about all immigration, I also got it right about you dismissing anything that doesn't support your opinion, which means it's pointless proving my points with links. Your article isn't more balanced nor is it accurate. Although it does confirm that increased EU immigration as suppressed wages, and there is no escaping the fact that increase competition for housing forces housing cost up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) That's YOUR experience of immigration and it sounds pretty good. However, down the road at page hall the experience is going to be very different. Surely you should vote on how it you perceive the impact of immigration on you rather than how it works for someone else? We've discussed Pagehall a million times on here, but let me be clear, Pagehall is the exception, not the rule. It was already a dump before the Roma came, something that gets overlooked continuously. People referring to Pagehall are being disingenuous. The question for those voting leave due to immigration is though, do you think things will chage? Because there is no ground to do so. ---------- Post added 23-05-2016 at 07:54 ---------- Not following the TV news due to holiday, but did any British media outlet even mention the fact that all G7 finance ministers warned the UK should stay in for the sake of theglobal economy? I realise the leave camp here will just see it as yet another 'scaremonger', but it is becoming quite ubiquitous, this message of the UK economy suffering if Brexit happens. Edited May 23, 2016 by tzijlstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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