EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[unbeliever]

As a scientist you bloody well know how predictive statistical analysis works. You might not be an economist, but you do know that these economic forecasters use reasonably solid data.

 

CEOs aren't harping up about this because they have been told to do so, they are harping up about it because they know the consequences of Brexit on their businesses.

 

People like l00b, who is an expert in his field, has a pretty good idea of how Brexit would affect his trade. I find it wholly incredible that someone chooses to ignore all these warning signs by praising an 'it isn't all about money' comment. That is such a naive position thatiscompletelynot befitting any one with an understanding of the world.

 

Ps the spacebar on my ipad is rubbish.

 

And yet it's not hard to line up a parade of expert economists to say the exact opposite with enormous conviction. That really doesn't happen in my field. And my experience of these matters tells me that these predictions are not to be trusted.

Perhaps most damning. We got pretty much the same expert institutions predicting pretty much the same economic woe over the matters of failing to join the ERM and failing to join the Euro. So I think as a scientist you can understand my scepticism.

I no longer think of EU related economic predictions as unbiased science.

Edited May 27, 2016 by unbeliever

[Tomjames]

Not everything is about money.

 

No its about cheap no frill flights & calls!

 

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Are people aware that due to the EU that mobile phone charges are supposed to be coming down?

 

If this is the case that mobile phone charges are going to be reduced then I will be voting to remain within the EU

 

And no I'm not stupid, I've got a degree

 

Is that important? How many times do you go abroad & make a mobile phone call per year?

 

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As a scientist you bloody well know how predictive statistical analysis works. You might not be an economist, but you do know that these economic forecasters use reasonably solid data.

 

CEOs aren't harping up about this because they have been told to do so, they are harping up about it because they know the consequences of Brexit on their businesses.

 

 

It's so solid it's always wrong.

250 businesses signed the leave petition, successful small businesses & some larger.

So its good to see some business leaders putting the nation's interest above own.

[Shef1985]

No its about cheap no frill flights & calls!

 

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Is that important? How many times do you go abroad & make a mobile phone call per year?

 

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It's so solid it's always wrong.

250 businesses signed the leave petition, successful small businesses & some larger.

So its good to see some business leaders putting the nation's interest above own.

 

Why do the SNP want out of the UK but to remain in the EU?

[Tomjames]

Why do the SNP want out of the UK but to remain in the EU?

 

Do they? I don't live in Scotland so don't care.

[unbeliever]

Why do the SNP want out of the UK but to remain in the EU?

 

Because they're not concerned about sovereignty, but about getting the social and economic policies that they believe in for the people they represent.

SNP politics are better aligned with EU politics than they are with English politics.

[kidley]

i have not read all of the post of late but, i do know that nobody knows what will happen if we come out of the eu, Likewise nobody knows what will happen if we stay in.

But one thing i do know, is, if we come out of the eu, we will NOT stop trading with it.

And all this about about this and that being devalued in the first two years, and pensioners being worse off is said by scaremongers or, they are not full shillings, it will take at least two years to sort things out.

[Shef1985]

Because they're not concerned about sovereignty, but about getting the social and economic policies that they believe in for the people they represent.

SNP politics are better aligned with EU politics than they are with English politics.

 

So....if that's true and you were Scottish, would you love or loathe the SNP?

 

I have never met Alex Salmond but personally I think there's always been an air of wannabe William Wallace* about him. Scottish Independence was more about his ego than Scotland.

 

*The Braveheart version of WW. Not the real one.

 

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Do they? I don't live in Scotland so don't care.

 

Haha, no worries, Just wondered what you thought about a rampant Indy party wanting to remain in something often seen as completely undemocratic, and how that might be seen from a 'best interests of the Nation' point of view.

 

I don't live in Scotland and I don't really care either.

[unbeliever]

So....if that's true and you were Scottish, would you love or loathe the SNP?

 

I have never met Alex Salmond but personally I think there's always been an air of wannabe William Wallace* about him. Scottish Independence was more about his ego than Scotland.

 

*The Braveheart version of WW. Not the real one.

 

I worry about sovereignty and I don't like socialism. So he's not for me.

Still he's a very impressive chap.

[MobileB]

i have not read all of the post of late but, i do know that nobody knows what will happen if we come out of the eu, Likewise nobody knows what will happen if we stay in.

But one thing i do know, is, if we come out of the eu, we will NOT stop trading with it.

And all this about about this and that being devalued in the first two years, and pensioners being worse off is said by scaremongers or, they are not full shillings, it will take at least two years to sort things out.

 

We won't stop trading with it .... but at what cost. In two years time there will be two options:

- one will keep the free market but this will involve free movement (ala Norway and Switzerland) so no different to now but we would have to accept something that we will have no say on

- or it will involve trade tariffs (as per the rest of the world) This will also involves years of negotiation on individual trade agreements (anything up to 10 years per agreement seems to be the norm) with the EU for different products. Also, if the latter, combined with the instability of the currency, will mean increased prices. Until these agreements are in place, there will be no trade.

 

All the stories you are talking about are simply the knock on effect of increased prices (ie higher inflation resulting in higher interest rates etc).

 

So a question, quite simply they are the options that will be available. Which one would you choose?

[L00b]

- or it will involve trade tariffs (as per the rest of the world) This will also involves years of negotiation on individual trade agreements (anything up to 10 years per agreement seems to be the norm) with the EU for different products.

To any Brexiter who automatically defaults to the 'WTO Rules, WTO Rules' mantra when faced with this argument, allow me to link this, by WTO boss Roberto Azevêdo

“It is a very important decision for the British people. It is a sovereign decision and they will decide what they want to decide. But it is very important, particularly with regard to trade, which is something very important for the British economy, that people have the facts and that they don’t underestimate the challenges,” Mr Azevêdo said.

 

An exit from the EU, for example, would cause the UK to lose the preferential access to other markets covered by 36 trade agreements with 58 countries negotiated by the EU. As a result, to remain compliant with WTO rules the UK would have to impose higher “most favoured nation” tariffs on imports from those 58 countries, while they would have to levy their own surcharges on British exports, Mr Azevêdo said.

 

A WTO analysis had calculated the cost of the additional tariffs on goods imports to British consumers at £9bn, while British merchandise exports would be subject to a further £5.5bn in tariffs at their destination.

 

“The consumer in the UK will have to pay those duties. The UK is not in a position to decide ‘I’m not charging duties here’. That is impossible. That is illegal,” Mr Azevêdo said.

And to any Brexiter tempted to wavy-hand it away with the usual and intellectually-dishonest "it's fearmongering", I'll just reply pre-emptively that, regrettably, denial can't be treated through t'Internet Edited May 27, 2016 by L00b