tzijlstra Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 As a younger voter, who will be voting - i think it is important that everyone here Votes, old and young - Imo, a vote either way will have a lot of negatives, but a vote with not much participation shows a lack of care for the country which in it self is more harm than a vote to stay to leave the EU. Agreed 100% and welcome to the forum. Odd name, Belgian roots? Best get your opinions in before they are removed, "DEATH OF FREE SPEECH: EU blasted for 'Orwellian' crackdown on online criticism EUROPE’S elite have announced a sweeping crackdown on freedom of speech online which has been branded “lamentable and Orwellian” by pro-democracy campaigners." http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/675535/EU-referendum-Brexit-Brussels-blasted-Orwellian-crackdown-online-criticism-UKIP Yeah. Uhuh. But they can't stop EU migrants coming into the country. But they can fight slave-labour. Which is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzer1 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 There was a study out earlier this week that said over 90 per cent of eu migrants would not gain entry if the criteria as applied to non eu was applied to them, that's your cut in numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 There was a study out earlier this week that said over 90 per cent of eu migrants would not gain entry if the criteria as applied to non eu was applied to them, that's your cut in numbers But, to gain access to the EU markets, the EU insists the non EU European allow the free flow of EU migrants as if they were EU members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 But, to gain access to the EU markets, the EU insists the non EU European allow the free flow of EU migrants as if they were EU members. Let's say we are "outside the single market". What's the problem exactly? Technically there are a few tariffs which could be applied by the EU to UK goods and services. A tariff of 10% on cars would be permitted. Are the Germans going to go for that considering that we'd do the same and they sell us an awful lot more cars than we sell them? Tariffs are permitted on foods. Are the French really going to want to discourage us from buying their food? What exactly is supposed to be the problem with being outside the almighty single market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Let's say we are "outside the single market". What's the problem exactly? Technically there are a few tariffs which could be applied by the EU to UK goods and services. A tariff of 10% on cars would be permitted. Are the Germans going to go for that considering that we'd do the same and they sell us an awful lot more cars than we sell them? Tariffs are permitted on foods. Are the French really going to want to discourage us from buying their food? What exactly is supposed to be the problem with being outside the almighty single market? Businesses aren't worried about tariffs so much, it is the paperwork. It is the SINGLE market, not the FREE market that worries them. Edited May 31, 2016 by tzijlstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Let's say we are "outside the single market". What's the problem exactly? Technically there are a few tariffs which could be applied by the EU to UK goods and services. A tariff of 10% on cars would be permitted. Are the Germans going to go for that considering that we'd do the same and they sell us an awful lot more cars than we sell them? Tariffs are permitted on foods. Are the French really going to want to discourage us from buying their food? What exactly is supposed to be the problem with being outside the almighty single market? So you think we should renegotiate terms for every single trade item? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Greener Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Last week 16 per cent of bets at Ladbrokes were placed on Brexit, this week 49.7 per cent was placed on Brexit with some punters betting thousands on the outcome. Ladbrokes are baffled as to why. I can tell you why, the punters have been talking to friends, colleagues etc and realised the remainers only exist on forums and newspaper websites, in real life they are as rare as rocking horse crxp. Some truth in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 So you think we should renegotiate terms for every single trade item? The default these days is no tariff. There's at least 2 years to hammer out if there are to be any exceptions. There may be a few. When the remainers talk about "market access" they're not actually talking about whether we're allowed to buy and sell from the EU, just whether there will be any tariffs we don't pay now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Greener Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 As a younger voter, who will be voting - i think it is important that everyone here Votes, old and young - Imo, a vote either way will have a lot of negatives, but a vote with not much participation shows a lack of care for the country which in it self is more harm than a vote to stay to leave the EU. Good for you, vote. Might be the last time your vote means anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Good for you, vote. Might be the last time your vote means anything Especially if Brexit happens and he lives in the Socialist State of South Yorkshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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