Tomjames Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Are mortgages going up ? I guess it means interest rates are going up because in another warning house prices were going down 18%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 The Beeb have been at it again, talking about how "EU funds have greatly benefitted Orkney and the Shetlands". We give the EU £13 billion a year. They give us back in "EU funds" £6 billion. The BBC is deliberately giving the impression that the money is granted to us by the wonderful, selfless, generous EU. Which is rubbish. We give them £13 billion, they give us £6 billion back - less than half. Some "benefit"! This is just typical of the BBC. Never the direct lie, but always half of the truth, and the half that suits their book. It is so depressing that they sink to this. You're right about this. We send money to the EU and it doles (some) of it (with strings attached) back to us. Most of the in campaign are so because they just happen to approve of what the EU tends to spend the money on in this country that possibly wouldn't get spent otherwise due to domestic government priorities/choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) The argument seems to go along the lines that the majority of the UK, when we vote, gets it wrong. So we need the EU to overrule us for our own good. It's not an original idea. The Conservatives of the '70s wanted to join/remain in the EEC in part in order to curtail the power of Labour when in government. It was immoral then and it's no less immoral now. If one wants a more "progressive" government, one can campaign and vote for one. It's called democracy. They'll be kicking themselves if we vote to remain and EU politics moves away from what they support, and then they discover they can't do anything about it even after winning a general election. The EU is not genuinely "progressive" anyway. They spend a bit of our money on progressive ideas for PR purposes and all the while run a legal and regulatory regime optimised to protect the huge multinational businesses. That's why people like Corbyn, Frank Field and Tony Benn (RIP) have always opposed them. Still can't figure out what Corbyn is playing at. I can only assume that being leader of the party is more important to him that what he actually believes in. Unless of course he's playing some sort of game to help get a leave vote whilst pretending to be for remain. Edited June 5, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidley Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 There is one topic (believe it or not) that has not been touched on, for the years we have been in the common market (thats not the same as the eu) and the eu, We meaning the uk have had allot of money dolled back to us from the eu, in the case of Sheffield for instance the rundown of the steel industry the eu refunded money to create jobs to replace those that were lost in the steel industry and mining. BUT now due to more countries that have joined the eu i.e Czechoslovakia - Romania etc etc there will be very little eu (uk) money coming back into the uk the poorer countries as above will receive it all and, quite rightly and in accordance with eu rules to bring them up to our standard of living,So to the people who think we will still receive money for things that we have in the past forget it, there are more deserving countries than ours in the eu know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 There is one topic (believe it or not) that has not been touched on, for the years we have been in the common market (thats not the same as the eu) and the eu, We meaning the uk have had allot of money dolled back to us from the eu, in the case of Sheffield for instance the rundown of the steel industry the eu refunded money to create jobs to replace those that were lost in the steel industry and mining. BUT now due to more countries that have joined the eu i.e Czechoslovakia - Romania etc etc there will be very little eu (uk) money coming back into the uk the poorer countries as above will receive it all and, quite rightly and in accordance with eu rules to bring them up to our standard of living,So to the people who think we will still receive money for things that we have in the past forget it, there are more deserving countries than ours in the eu know. That sounds right. Is there anything in writing we can refer to to prove it is the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidley Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) That sounds right. Is there anything in writing we can refer to to prove it is the case? I dont think the eu or anybody els would put that in public writing, it would be written into their policy like it is know. Things that we would not know about till it happens interesting reading https://blog.okfn.org/2015/07/02/where-does-europes-money-go http://ec.europa.eu/budget/explained/budg_system/fin_fwk0713/fin_fwk0713_en.cfm Edited June 5, 2016 by kidley added links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 What if all across Europe, or in most European countries, there was a rise in right wing, even FAR right wing politics and the majority of MEP's were of that persuasion, completely changing the nature of the EU? then what? would the in campaigners still want to remain in then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 What if all across Europe, or in most European countries, there was a rise in right wing, even FAR right wing politics and the majority of MEP's were of that persuasion, completely changing the nature of the EU? then what? would the in campaigners still want to remain in then? Quite right. This decision is about the next several decades. Not about whether you prefer the politics of the UK government right now, to those of the EU right now. It would be the height of folly to ignore this simple fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shef1985 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 What if all across Europe, or in most European countries, there was a rise in right wing, even FAR right wing politics and the majority of MEP's were of that persuasion, completely changing the nature of the EU? then what? would the in campaigners still want to remain in then? Well, they are not all FAR right now. In your hypothetical world we could hypothetically leave the EU couldn't we? Stay in for now though. ---------- Post added 05-06-2016 at 12:16 ---------- Quite right. This decision is about the next several decades. Not about whether you prefer the politics of the UK government right now, to those of the EU right now. It would be the height of folly to ignore this simple fact. Very wrong. Staying in the EU for me has nothing to do with our present government. As has been pointed out to you time and time and time again we can leave the EU whenever we want and in the future if it looks necessary we might. It is not necessary now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidley Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Well, they are not all FAR right now. In your hypothetical world we could hypothetically leave the EU couldn't we? Stay in for now though. My Bold The coming up eu vote, whether we vote to stay in or out its not for now its for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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