mossdog Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 If you think we're being bullied in a small group how on earth will we manage when taking on the rest of the world on our own?.......quite successfully in the future thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 ........believe it or not,there seems to be people who want to be bullied by the Germans!...they tried it physically twice and failed,now they are doing it economically! Indeed. If we don't get out now, how much worse will it be in 10 years time? Will it have turned into one big fascist state? Unstoppable, undemocratic power tends to do things to certain people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 looking at the poll result on here at the moment seems to sum up the state of the likely vote? almost 2/3 in favour of leaving! its building and lets hope last minute in favour of "leave" dont get cold feet? Nope. Remain still ahead in the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileB Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Indeed. If we don't get out now, how much worse will it be in 10 years time? Will it have turned into one big fascist state? Unstoppable, undemocratic power tends to do things to certain people... Just out of interest, who appoints these undemocratic bureaucrats in Brussels. Do you apply for a job from the Indeed website? Genuinely interested. How much power do they actually have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) Just out of interest, who appoints these undemocratic bureaucrats in Brussels. Do you apply for a job from the Indeed website? Genuinely interested. How much power do they actually have? Usually these terms are applied to the EU commission. They tend to be failed politicians. They're appointed by council (heads of government). They're essentially a QUANGO. They're responsible for initiating all EU legislation. The closest analogue we have here is the cabinet. The legislation has to be ratified by the EU parliament, which is elected. The PM's renegotiation (such as it is) is an arrangement with the commission. Interestingly the EU parliament will not look at ratifying it before the referendum. ---------- Post added 10-06-2016 at 17:46 ---------- Nope. Remain still ahead in the polls. By about 2%. Edited June 10, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzer1 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 most regional newspaper polls up and down the country has 2 to 1 voting out except Scotland. If you go on ft poll of polls the bigger the sample size the higher the percentage in favour of leave. Polls 1000ish stay, 2000ish neck and neck, 3000ish leave. Poll of polls currently 45 to 43 to stay. Still think if we vote Brexit the Eu will offer an enhanced deal and then want second vote. I am prepared for short term pain for long term gain. My father in law visited today ( he is Italian ) and has just come back from visiting relatives in Italy ( around Pisa ) and he says the Intalians are watching us with great interest, there is a growing ground swell for a referendum there. They are bearing the brunt of the immigration crisis, they are net contributors, are in the grip of austerity like ourselves and also think the eu are undemocratic. He believes if we vote out Italy will have a referendum fought on the same arguments as here. That maybe why the germans are now issuing threats to try and intimidate other nations who are thinking of leaving. ---------- Post added 10-06-2016 at 18:11 ---------- Just remember the Kinnicks who were both failed politicians here, rejected by the voters, both went on to be eu commissioners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Usually these terms are applied to the EU commission. They tend to be failed politicians. They're appointed by council (heads of government). They're essentially a QUANGO. They're responsible for initiating all EU legislation. The closest analogue we have here is the cabinet. The legislation has to be ratified by the EU parliament, which is elected. The PM's renegotiation (such as it is) is an arrangement with the commission. Interestingly the EU parliament will not look at ratifying it before the referendum. I was reading yesterday that OUR MEPs pass 98% of this legislation, so all this fuss about not being accountable is a load of codswallop? ---------- Post added 10-06-2016 at 18:17 ---------- Just remember the Kinnicks who were both failed politicians here, rejected by the voters, both went on to be eu commissioners. Neil Kinnock stood down from being an MP, I dont think the voters rejected him at all, by all accounts a very successful man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzer1 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 But if the legislation is not passed as a law then it is introduced as a regulation, attached to some suitable law and does not have to go back to Meps apparently ( rad it on another thread on sf, Don,t know how true it is). ---------- Post added 10-06-2016 at 18:19 ---------- He led the Labour Party in a GE and lost, think that's rejection just like milliband was rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 The closest analogue we have here is the cabinet. The legislation has to be ratified by the EU parliament, which is elected. Just like the House of Lords and the House of Commons, except the other way around? ---------- Post added 10-06-2016 at 18:20 ---------- He led the Labour Party in a GE and lost, think that's rejection just like milliband was rejected. Like that other failed politician, Margaret Thatcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzer1 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Her claim to fame was first woman PM, Kinnocks never made it that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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