unbeliever Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 There's nothing wrong with wanting to peacefully unite Europe into a single state. There's something wrong with doing so without being upfront about it in the hope that we'll not notice until it's too late. I think the deception is being perpetrated by the pro-EU crowd in the UK more than the Eurocrats though. Whether you think it's best or not to pursue the goal of a united Europe, I think we can all agree that it must be the peoples' choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy lady Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) You don't have to take the Guardians' word for it, look for yourself! Veterans who actually fought are overwhelmingly in favour of remaining. Claiming they fought so we could go backwards is just an insult to them and common sense. Are they really. How many did they ask? Was it just his uncle? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/25/more-former-military-officers-join-brexit-campaign-eu-referendum I'm voting out. The folk in our pub are overwhelmingly voting out. Edited June 17, 2016 by foxy lady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 You don't have to take the Guardians' word for it, look for yourself! Veterans who actually fought are overwhelmingly in favour of remaining. Claiming they fought so we could go backwards is just an insult to them and common sense. Do you have some stats to back up your claim? (Not a letter in the guardian from one bloke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 In that case, maybe you should listen to someone who actually fought in the war:- http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/15/dont-abandon-the-europe-that-i-fought-for-and-my-comrades-died-for?CMP=share_btn_tw http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/franklin-medhurst-96-war-veteran-pro-eu-letter http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-second-world-war-veterans-come-out-against-brexit-a7019646.html They fought for a united and peaceful europe, you're dishonoring their sacrifice. Or the alternative view, http://veteransforbritain.uk/wordpress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 http://veteransforbritain.uk/wordpress/ Veterans for Britain don't seem to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 It's not a case of rolling over and accepting control from "them", it is joining with others to help us all. The UK becomes part of the control, not an inanimate subject. A bit like joining a Co-op. Very true, some people cannot get beyond the them and us relationship when it comes to the EU. They can't seem to realise that when it comes to the EU, we are part of "them". Inside the EU we're a part of the decision making process, a process that will still have ramifications on our country whether or not we Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shef1985 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 http://veteransforbritain.uk/wordpress/ Veterans for Britain don't seem to agree. What pathetic sentimentality to invoke the war in your argument. We didn't win it single handed you know! Do you know how any Poles flew for the RAF? How many Irish fought with the UK despite Ireland being neutral? How we relied on America to send us equipment etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzer1 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Although my dad did not fight in WW2 as he joined the navy in 1949 at age 14, he did fight and kill in Korea as his was the nearest RN ship and the crew were deployed on land to fight. He also fought in Aden, took part in Suez and was deployed in various other areas of aggresion/ incursion/ unrest on behalf of this country.He left the navy in 1967. He also voted to join the EEC and now feels he was lied to in that vote and is now voting out. Does he count as a veteran, you make up your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 What pathetic sentimentality to invoke the war in your argument. We didn't win it single handed you know! Do you know how any Poles flew for the RAF? How many Irish fought with the UK despite Ireland being neutral? How we relied on America to send us equipment etc? I was responding to another poster who claimed the majority of veterans supported remain. As a veteran of more recent conflicts I have met more WW2 vets than most and am fully aware of the international nature of Allied forces. So wind your neck in you never served belter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shef1985 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I was responding to another poster who claimed the majority of veterans supported remain. As a veteran of more recent conflicts I have met more WW2 vets than most and am fully aware of the international nature of Allied forces. So wind your neck in you never served belter. What is a belter? You say it a lot....I think you're the only person that knows what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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