EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[Zamo]

It looks about as significant as any other poll.

 

It's a poll that doesn't ask the question that will be put to the vote. It instead asks a question about perceived risk but only for one of the two options. It is biased rubbish.

[I1L2T3]

People do understand that we won't leave right? Even if we vote no.

[999tigger]

People do understand that we won't leave right? Even if we vote no.

 

Care to explain why not?

[I1L2T3]

Care to explain why not?

 

Basically the political consensus is that we should stay in. No matter what the Conservatives might say about allowing people a choice it is clear from Cameron's stance (powerful backing for yes campaign) that the core policy of the party is to remain in the EU. Most of their business sponsors support staying in, as does the majority of the banking sector. Similarly with Labour, although Corbyn makes anti-EU noises the will of his party is to stay in and he can't defy that. The SNP want to stay in. As do the LibDems. As do Plaid Cymru.

 

Those parties account for 629 out of 651 commons seats at the 2015 election.

 

Quite simply the political will is simply not going to align with the will of the people. Even if a yes vote happens it will require acts of parliament to progress the exit process and there will never be a majority vote in support of starting that process, in either house.

 

In the event of a yes vote what will happen is a period of intense parliamentary debate with a storm of scare stories from the media, and maybe even a genuine renegotiation process with the EU for which there is no time before the forthcoming referendum. It will become clear that the people never really understood what they were voting for the first time round. It will go to another referendum and the politicians will get exactly the result they want - to stay in.

[ANGELFIRE1]

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So let's break your three reasons down:

 

1) That is the net sum, do you know how big the EU membership contribution is in terms of indirect benefit to the UK economy? Think of taxes gained through trade, through EU citizens working here, through EU companies settling here, through non-EU companies settling here?

 

2) You are wrong, the books are audited every year, they are ratified every year. Each year they find a few problems with the books, just as happens with the UK ratification. Oh wait, the UK doesn't get its books ratified in the same strict manner as the EU does... But that doesn't matter, because the Sun says the EU doesn't get its books audited! Just for your delectation, google the review of the Defence budget of the UK.

 

3)Where do you get 6,5 billion from? It is 5 billion euros, 3,5 billion pounds (roughly) of which just under a third are pension-contributions. Page 71 of this document tells you all you need to know.

 

Keep in mind that the city of Sheffield spends around half of that on 550 thousand people, whereas the EU represents 740 million, not that bad I'd say.

 

So, to conclude: the reasons you vote to leave the EU are all based on misunderstanding. Which unfortunately will be the same for a lot of people.

 

 

Here is a little ditto for your attention, "there are lies, damned lies then there are statistics" another one, "If you were a Turkey would you vote for Christmas"

 

I'll stick with my version of the "statistics".

 

Angel1.

Edited January 24, 2016 by ANGELFIRE1

[JFKvsNixon]

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Here is a little ditto for your attention, "there are lies, damned lies then there are statistics" another one, "If you were a Turkey would you vote for Christmas"

 

I'll stick with my version of the "statistics".

 

Angel1.

 

Good for you, you shouldn't let a little matter like facts get in the way of your opinion.

[I1L2T3]

A little ditto, "there are lies, there are damned lies and then there are statistics".

 

I put it to you, you are been misled by the keep us in brigade, Another ditto, "if you would a turkey vote for Christmas

 

What do you think will happen if we were to leave?

 

IMO most people simply don't understand that even if we did leave the EU we would still have no option but to remain in the single market. That could mean a similar arrangement to what the Swiss have, or EEA membership through EFTA. No matter which we would:

 

1. Still have to contribute to the EU budget

2. Still have to agree to free movement of people

3. Still be bound by a whole raft of EU legislation but with no say in shaping it.

 

These issues are the cornerstones of the campaign to leave, but that campaign is never going to be honest and tell you that even if we did leave the EU nothing will change in practical terms.

 

Remember you are not being asked if we should leave the single market, just the EU.

[Quik]

Basically the political consensus is that we should stay in. No matter what the Conservatives might say about allowing people a choice it is clear from Cameron's stance (powerful backing for yes campaign) that the core policy of the party is to remain in the EU. Most of their business sponsors support staying in, as does the majority of the banking sector. Similarly with Labour, although Corbyn makes anti-EU noises the will of his party is to stay in and he can't defy that. The SNP want to stay in. As do the LibDems. As do Plaid Cymru.

 

Those parties account for 629 out of 651 commons seats at the 2015 election.

 

Quite simply the political will is simply not going to align with the will of the people. Even if a yes vote happens it will require acts of parliament to progress the exit process and there will never be a majority vote in support of starting that process, in either house.

 

In the event of a yes vote what will happen is a period of intense parliamentary debate with a storm of scare stories from the media, and maybe even a genuine renegotiation process with the EU for which there is no time before the forthcoming referendum. It will become clear that the people never really understood what they were voting for the first time round. It will go to another referendum and the politicians will get exactly the result they want - to stay in.

 

In the scenario you have suggested UKIP would be gifted the 2020 election.

 

Stay or leave it's a binding referendum which means if we do not get out we are stuck with it for a generation.

[I1L2T3]

In the scenario you have suggested UKIP would be gifted the 2020 election.

 

Stay or leave it's a binding referendum which means if we do not get out we are stuck with it for a generation.

 

It's not a binding referendum. No referendum is the UK is legally binding.

 

A vote to leave would still require acts of parliament to be passed and therefore majority votes in both houses. It won't happen.

 

Ukip will never win a general election. No chance.

[Zamo]

It's not a binding referendum. No referendum is the UK is legally binding.

 

A vote to leave would still require acts of parliament to be passed and therefore majority votes in both houses. It won't happen.

 

Ukip will never win a general election. No chance.

 

Don't forget that one of the biggest reasons for people voting 'out' is immigration and concerns about that just keep growing. As millions more migrants arrive in Europe from the dysfunctional parts of the world, the problems will keep on hitting and more and more people will turn to anti-EU/immigration parties out of frustration and anger.

 

Give people another few years of that, add in a failure to respect the outcome of an 'out' referendum and you will see UKIP topping the polls. It would be political suicide not to abide by an 'out' decision.