EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[JFKvsNixon]

Aye, it's a new concept, but keep it very quiet as only one or two folk know of it.

 

It's called GOOGLE, there I have let the cat out of the bag now, everyone will be using it.

 

Angel1.

 

I'd hate to break this to you, most people have realised this but you seem to be lagging behind. You can't trust everything you read on google! That's why I asked for the source of your claim, so it would be easy to verify whether or not you had made a good point.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Not everything on the web is true; so not everything that Google- or other searching methods- will show is true either.

[herbalharry]

It's a poll that doesn't ask the question that will be put to the vote. It instead asks a question about perceived risk but only for one of the two options. It is biased rubbish.

 

Zamo ur wasting your breath. We wont leave. The gov dont want it and the public majority are fearful.

 

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Basically the political consensus is that we should stay in. No matter what the Conservatives might say about allowing people a choice it is clear from Cameron's stance (powerful backing for yes campaign) that the core policy of the party is to remain in the EU. Most of their business sponsors support staying in, as does the majority of the banking sector. Similarly with Labour, although Corbyn makes anti-EU noises the will of his party is to stay in and he can't defy that. The SNP want to stay in. As do the LibDems. As do Plaid Cymru.

 

Those parties account for 629 out of 651 commons seats at the 2015 election.

 

Quite simply the political will is simply not going to align with the will of the people. Even if a yes vote happens it will require acts of parliament to progress the exit process and there will never be a majority vote in support of starting that process, in either house.

 

In the event of a yes vote what will happen is a period of intense parliamentary debate with a storm of scare stories from the media, and maybe even a genuine renegotiation process with the EU for which there is no time before the forthcoming referendum. It will become clear that the people never really understood what they were voting for the first time round. It will go to another referendum and the politicians will get exactly the result they want - to stay in.

 

I agree. We wont leave no matter what. Its rigged and there is no flavour to leave.

 

We can argue the pros and cons of europe. Quite frankly we are better focusing on the best deal we can get from our membership.

 

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I think you can still believe in the EU idea even if you think that it's not being administered very well at the moment, after all we don't think we should get rid of our Houses of Parliament every time we get a rubbish set of people running things.

 

Agreed. It may be poorly administered but Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.

[tzijlstra]

Aye, it's a new concept, but keep it very quiet as only one or two folk know of it.

 

It's called GOOGLE, there I have let the cat out of the bag now, everyone will be using it.

 

Angel1.

 

If you ask google if it is OK to slap little girls with a wet trout you might well find a site that says it is. That doesn't mean it is right. It helps to interpret what you read, something you patently fail at.

[Zamo]

You are missing the point that we probably right now have the best immigration control possible whilst remaining in the single market.

 

If we left the EU then we could be over a barrel with the EU stipulating that a condition of single market access is that we have freer movement of people.

 

You only have to see what recently happened when the Swiss tried to lock things down that we could potentially end up worse off.

 

I haven't missed the point that we probably have the best immigration controls possible whilst in the EU. That's why I want to leave... it is misguided and dangerous. The West is sharing the rewards of its' functional culture (making life less rich for those already here) with new arrivals who contribute the problems of their dysfunctional culture. It is a crap deal and most people are fed up of politicians ignoring the fact they've had enough... there is going to be a backlash.

 

Yes, the Swiss got a frosty reception to their proposals but the migrant crisis hadn't bitten and the pain is only just beginning to be felt. Free movement across Europe will be dead in the water by the end of the year... even the bleeding hearts in German are rapidly turning to stone. Draw bridges are coming up.

 

You should also note that we have trade agreements with many other trade bodies and countries and none have 'free movement' clauses. Even the EU has trade agreements without such clauses. It really isn't a case of the EU way or the highway... that's just scaremongering.

 

Zamo ur wasting your breath. We wont leave. The gov dont want it and the public majority are fearful.

 

I agree. We wont leave no matter what. Its rigged and there is no flavour to leave.

 

We can argue the pros and cons of europe. Quite frankly we are better focusing on the best deal we can get from our membership.

 

Agreed. It may be poorly administered but Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

Let's hope other EU members don't share your assessment. How do you think the negotiations that you want to focus on will go if they do? Empty threats carry no weight. If our EU partners don't believe we will leave then they have no need to deal.

 

There are plenty in the government who genuinely want out of the EU. If an 'out' vote wasn't respected then many would defect to UKIP and the public vote would go there too. The Tories wouldn't dare do it. And Labour are not even in the debate.

[I1L2T3]

I haven't missed the point that we probably have the best immigration controls possible whilst in the EU. That's why I want to leave... it is misguided and dangerous. The West is sharing the rewards of its' functional culture (making life less rich for those already here) with new arrivals who contribute the problems of their dysfunctional culture. It is a crap deal and most people are fed up of politicians ignoring the fact they've had enough... there is going to be a backlash.

 

Yes, the Swiss got a frosty reception to their proposals but the migrant crisis hadn't bitten and the pain is only just beginning to be felt. Free movement across Europe will be dead in the water by the end of the year... even the bleeding hearts in German are rapidly turning to stone. Draw bridges are coming up.

 

You should also note that we have trade agreements with many other trade bodies and countries and none have 'free movement' clauses. Even the EU has trade agreements without such clauses. It really isn't a case of the EU way or the highway... that's just scaremongering.

 

 

 

Let's hope other EU members don't share your assessment. How do you think the negotiations that you want to focus on will go if they do? Empty threats carry no weight. If our EU partners don't believe we will leave then they have no need to deal.

 

There are plenty in the government who genuinely want out of the EU. If an 'out' vote wasn't respected then many would defect to UKIP and the public vote would go there too. The Tories wouldn't dare do it. And Labour are not even in the debate.

 

Yes you have missed the point zamo. Completely.

 

I'll repeat it again. We have the best controls possible in the single market. Understand first that the single market is not just the EU.

 

The reception of the Swiss plans was not just frosty. The EU made it clear that if there was no free movement of people there was no participation in the single market. If we were out of the EU then the EU could do the same to us. They can't now - we have powerful opt-outs enshrined in EU law.

[L00b]

And I think you'll find there the immigration concerns of the British are shared across Europe and are getting stronger and stronger.

Indeed.

 

So, that's Greece forcibly kicked out of (whatever's left, on paper, of-) Schengen (...and I for one can't wait to read about Tsipras' comeback, I'm grabbing the popcorn ready), Theresa May's debutante outing as the Tory figurehead for the EU Out camp and Juncker gradually dropping his cards into the 'kick the Greeks/stop mass immigration' camp.

 

Quite the news day in EU-related politics, don't you think?

[Zamo]

Yes you have missed the point zamo. Completely.

 

I'll repeat it again. We have the best controls possible in the single market. Understand first that the single market is not just the EU.

 

The reception of the Swiss plans was not just frosty. The EU made it clear that if there was no free movement of people there was no participation in the single market. If we were out of the EU then the EU could do the same to us. They can't now - we have powerful opt-outs enshrined in EU law.

 

Repeat it again if you like... doesn't change anything. There isn't adequate control and we need to leave the EU to regain adequate control.

 

Yes, we'll have to renegotiate a deal and the EU but they aren't going to insist on a free movement clause, just as they haven't with their trade agreements with the US, China, Brazil etc, etc. The fact is the EU exports more to Britain than we do to it... they aren't going to kill off that trade on a freedom of movement principle... certainly not when the EU is still reeling from the Greece saga.

 

You have also, again, ignored the fact that the freedom movement principle is now being widely questioned and criticised and the EU is in panic mode. How hilarious is it that the EU who so recently lectured the Swiss about limiting freedom of movement are now seeking to deny the Greeks that right! Plans now under way to to pull up the drawbridge along the Greek boarder and to leave them lumbered with hundreds of thousands of migrants (perhaps million more making their way) invited by the bloody Germans!

 

It is all unwinding and the EU's bargaining position is getting increasingly weak. The EU may even have to abandon the entire freedom of movement principle just to survive.

[999tigger]

Repeat it again if you like... doesn't change anything. There isn't adequate control and we need to leave the EU to regain adequate control.

 

Yes, we'll have to renegotiate a deal and the EU but they aren't going to insist on a free movement clause, just as they haven't with their trade agreements with the US, China, Brazil etc, etc. The fact is the EU exports more to Britain than we do to it... they aren't going to kill off that trade on a freedom of movement principle... certainly not when the EU is still reeling from the Greece saga.

 

You have also, again, ignored the fact that the freedom movement principle is now being widely questioned and criticised and the EU is in panic mode. How hilarious is it that the EU who so recently lectured the Swiss about limiting freedom of movement are now seeking to deny the Greeks that right! Plans now under way to to pull up the drawbridge along the Greek boarder and to leave them lumbered with hundreds of thousands of migrants (perhaps million more making their way) invited by the bloody Germans!

 

It is all unwinding and the EU's bargaining position is getting increasingly weak. The EU may even have to abandon the entire freedom of movement principle just to survive.

 

 

Thnk you have failed to take on board what I1L2T3 was saying.

 

Once we leave the EU it will require a complete renegotiation. If you want the same terms as China or the USA, then fine, but it wont give the UK the same sort of access it has to the single maket which it currently enjoys.

 

We both need each other, but even though there is a trade imablance i.e we buy more than sell, we will end up worse off because we are so much smaller than the remaining countries.

 

Freedom of movement cna still exits without Schengen. It will just mean some checks rather than none, similar to how the UK treats EU citizens at the moment.

 

You are confusing the Freedom of movement within the single market and external migration controls.

[Brian Equato]

 

The reception of the Swiss plans was not just frosty. The EU made it clear that if there was no free movement of people there was no participation in the single market. If we were out of the EU then the EU could do the same to us. They can't now - we have powerful opt-outs enshrined in EU law.

 

Seems like this fourth incarnation of the holy Roman empire is not only unnacountable and arrogant but also vindictive and intolerant of anyone who acts contrary to their orthodoxy, like all dictators throughout history, hopefully this latest European dictatorship won't last a thousand years either.