unbeliever Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Do you really want a list of for and against? you are just embarassing yourself. Everything you say is wrong. And demonstrably so. In fact this reply above is your pathetic attempt to escape the fact that I just proved you wrong again. I'm only embarrassed for you. Go away and read up on this matter, then we can talk properly. And by read up, I mean read something in addition to headlines from the Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Britain First, EDL, BNP, UKIP, Pfeffel, Daniel Hannan, Duncan Smith, a motley crew Didn't realise Tommy Lee had a view on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Britain First, EDL, BNP, UKIP, Pfeffel, Daniel Hannan, Duncan Smith, a motley crew Sometimes people you don't like get things right. There are plenty on the left against the EU as I have already pointed out. Tony Benn (RIP) never had a good word for it in his whole life. Nor has Corbyn strangely enough until a couple of weeks ago. I know it's weird. The EU is supported by many of the moderates. This is because it gives them a permanent lock on policy as more radical policy ideas are generally not allowed for EU members. The matter of who forms the UK government is for another day. This is about whether the UK should be governed by the UK government or by the EU. Try to take a long-term view. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChet Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Didn't realise Tommy Lee had a view on this. He doesn't. He's in Motley Crue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Everything you say is wrong. And demonstrably so. In fact this reply above is your pathetic attempt to escape the fact that I just proved you wrong again. I'm only embarrassed for you. Go away and read up on this matter, then we can talk properly. And by read up, I mean read something in addition to headlines from the Guardian. To prove your "point" you've selected 2 or 3 renagade Labour politicians. Pathetic. You're trying to tell me the brexit side has all this left wing support and is not spearheaded by hard right and racists. It's either some sort of joke or maybe you are trying to convince yourself you're not one of them? I'll start with a few names; Farage IDS Gove Johnson Le Pen And a few groups: Britain First BNP UKIP National Front Freedom Party Northern League Shall we go on with this charade?... Edited June 20, 2016 by Tomjames ihug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) To prove your "point" you've selected 2 or 3 renagade Labour politicians. Pathetic. You're trying to tell me the brexit side has all this left wing support and is not spearheaded by hard right and racists. It's either some sort of joke or maybe you are trying to convince yourself you're not one of them? I'll start with a few names; Farage IDS Gove Johnson Shall we go on with this charade?... I gave you examples. I'm not trying to establish that leaving is a left wing ideal. I'm trying to explain to you that you've completely missed the point. It's not about policy. Left and right are irrelevant. It's about the UK people getting the government that they vote for for the next several decades. Are you capable of any political debate other than "Right bad. Like nazis. Don't like. Only bad people like. Bad people think this. Opposite must be true." Read this: http://www.labourleave.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/LL-8-page-FINAL-14.1.16.pdf And this: http://www.labourleave.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/LL-A5-Rogues-Gallery-flyer-FINAL-14.1.16.pdf If you want the detail (which I hope you do): http://www.labourleave.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/The-Labour-Case-for-Brexit.pdf Edited June 20, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I gave you examples. I'm not trying to establish that leaving is a left wing ideal. I'm trying to explain to you that you've completely missed the point. It's not about policy. Left and right are irrelevant. It's about the UK people getting the government that they vote for for the next several decades. Are you capable of any political debate other than "Right bad. Like nazis. Don't like. Only bad people like. Bad people think this. Opposite must be true." You've made it clear you are willing to accept sovereignty in exchange for right wing ideology and sovereignty at any cost to the UK's freedoms and economic prosperity. Why dress it up and why are you in denial for who you support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) You've made it clear you are willing to accept sovereignty in exchange for right wing ideology and sovereignty at any cost to the UK's freedoms and economic prosperity. Why dress it up and why are you in denial for who you support? Post-Brexit we don't get "right wing ideology" unless we vote for it. Democracy it's called. Still haven't actually looked at the IMF, CBI and Treasury growth projections have you. Anyway, let's still with the politics for now. Read this: http://www.labourleave.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/LL-8-page-FINAL-14.1.16.pdf And this: http://www.labourleave.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/LL-A5-Rogues-Gallery-flyer-FINAL-14.1.16.pdf If you want the detail (which I hope you do): http://www.labourleave.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/The-Labour-Case-for-Brexit.pdf Edited June 20, 2016 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjames Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Sometimes people you don't like get things right. There are plenty on the left against the EU as I have already pointed out. Tony Benn (RIP) never had a good word for it in his whole life. Nor has Corbyn strangely enough until a couple of weeks ago. I know it's weird. Why do you keep quoting Tony Benn as left-wing example. The guy's been dead a long time (RIP). It's irrelevant what he thought in the 1970's. Where's your relevant sources? preferably leaders and groups who are alive and relevant right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Why do you keep quoting Tony Benn as left-wing example. The guy's been dead a long time (RIP). It's irrelevant what he thought in the 1970's. Where's your relevant sources? preferably leaders and groups who are alive and relevant right now. What the hell. I've posted this twice already. Read this: http://www.labourleave.org/wp-conten...AL-14.1.16.pdf And this: http://www.labourleave.org/wp-conten...AL-14.1.16.pdf If you want the detail (which I hope you do): http://www.labourleave.org/wp-conten...for-Brexit.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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