EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[Totinglee]

He's the president of the EU Commission. The EU body with which the PM negotiated his new deal (such as it is). If it's not his place, then who on Earth's is it.

 

Once again. Just so nobody is under any remaining illusion:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-reform-Remain

"... NO more reform if you Remain" from the president of the EU Commission.

 

Really should have waited until Friday to say that in public.

 

Maybe he means no reform to the deal Cameron made in February.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-reform-uk-brexit-vote-live-remain-jean-claude-juncker-european-union-a7095601.html

 

Stop spamming the thread.

 

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if you don't post refs to evidence, yours is totally anecdotal.

 

What is anecdotal exactly? These things are easily found. Do I really have to do homework for you? You have made your decision anyway, I've made mine.

 

In case I'm wrong and you can still be swayed read this:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/28/alex-salmond-fisheries-eu-scotland

 

Or else go back to whinging about factories in Grimsby because the CFP is out of your depth.

Edited June 22, 2016 by Totinglee

[XXTickerXX]

Opinium's last survey of the campaign is:

 

LEAVE: 45 per cent

REMAIN: 44 per cent

(sample 3000)

They say it's "too close to call".

 

Opinium was the most accurate pollster at the 2015 general election.

 

https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

---------- Post added 22-06-2016 at 17:06 ----------

 

So for remain voters who are saying we can only reform the EU from within why would European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker say this the day before a referendum. It's almost like he wants us to leave.

 

"British policymakers and British voters have to know that there will be no kind of renegotiation"

"We have concluded a deal with the prime minister. He got the maximum he could receive and we gave the maximum we could give. So there will be no renegotiation, not on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned," Juncker said.

 

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-juncker-idUKKCN0Z81G4

[Totinglee]

Opinium's last survey of the campaign is:

 

LEAVE: 45 per cent

REMAIN: 44 per cent

(sample 3000)

They say it's "too close to call".

 

Opinium was the most accurate pollster at the 2015 general election.

 

https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

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So for remain voters who are saying we can only reform the EU from within why would European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker say this the day before a referendum. It's almost like he wants us to leave.

 

"British policymakers and British voters have to know that there will be no kind of renegotiation"

"We have concluded a deal with the prime minister. He got the maximum he could receive and we gave the maximum we could give. So there will be no renegotiation, not on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned," Juncker said.

 

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-juncker-idUKKCN0Z81G4

 

He is clearly referring to Cameron's deal from February only.

[Quik]

Not only will there be no reform if we vote to remain their is a stack of backed up integrationist measures waiting to be rammed through from Friday if we are foolish enough to remain shackled to the EU.

[phil752]

Maybe he means no reform to the deal Cameron made in February.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-reform-uk-brexit-vote-live-remain-jean-claude-juncker-european-union-a7095601.html

 

Stop spamming the thread.

 

---------- Post added 22-06-2016 at 15:59 ----------

 

 

What is anecdotal exactly? These things are easily found. Do I really have to do homework for you? You have made your decision anyway, I've made mine.

 

In case I'm wrong and you can still be swayed read this:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/28/alex-salmond-fisheries-eu-scotland

 

Or else go back to whinging about factories in Grimbsy because the CFP is out of your depth.

 

Opp's must have stirred something. Your link is a SNP proper gander, not exactly neutral in this debate. you never explained your links to Grimsby. I was just stating facts. From you attitude and language, i don't think its me that is out of my depth.

[Totinglee]

Not only will there be no reform if we vote to remain their is a stack of backed up integrationist measures waiting to be rammed through from Friday if we are foolish enough to remain shackled to the EU.

 

No reform to the deal from February. The deal that protects us from further integration.

 

---------- Post added 22-06-2016 at 16:14 ----------

 

Opp's must have stirred something. Your link is a SNP proper gander, not exactly neutral in this debate. you never explained your links to Grimsby. I was just stating facts. From you attitude and language, i don't think its me that is out of my depth.

 

It proves UK fishermen do not want a ban on foreign vessels fishing our waters. Salmond proposed it, the industry recoiled. Propaganda is one word - and a poor choice for what you wrote.

 

Now, you were saying about Grimsby and Hull?

Edited June 22, 2016 by Totinglee

[chalga]

I,like all Brexiters,thought that the EU were absolutely terrified of the UK leaving,so even though they didn't fall at Camerons feet to give him everything he wanted in his wish list,I still thought ,Nah,they're still terrified of UK leaving..........but now Juncker has come out with this final ultimatum,so I am shocked that it seems like they are not terrified,or why say it?

[Totinglee]

I,like all Brexiters,thought that the EU were absolutely terrified of the UK leaving,so even though they didn't fall at Camerons feet to give him everything he wanted in his wish list,I still thought ,Nah,they're still terrified of UK leaving..........but now Juncker has come out with this final ultimatum,so I am shocked that it seems like they are not terrified,or why say it?

 

For the nth time: it's no reform to the deal from February. Not no reform to anything ever.

[Michaeldyn]

Opinium's last survey of the campaign is:

 

LEAVE: 45 per cent

REMAIN: 44 per cent

(sample 3000)

They say it's "too close to call".

 

Opinium was the most accurate pollster at the 2015 general election.

 

https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

---------- Post added 22-06-2016 at 17:06 ----------

 

So for remain voters who are saying we can only reform the EU from within why would European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker say this the day before a referendum. It's almost like he wants us to leave.

 

"British policymakers and British voters have to know that there will be no kind of renegotiation"

"We have concluded a deal with the prime minister. He got the maximum he could receive and we gave the maximum we could give. So there will be no renegotiation, not on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned," Juncker said.

 

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-juncker-idUKKCN0Z81G4

If it is too close to call why is odds not even money ? Instead it is

1/4 to stay

3/1 to leave

[horribleblob]

Opinium's last survey of the campaign is:

 

LEAVE: 45 per cent

REMAIN: 44 per cent

(sample 3000)...

 

And, according to this recent poll commissioned by LBC, 46% of all Leave voters think the referendum is likely to be rigged. I wonder if that only applies if their side loses?