EU Referendum - How will you vote?

[L00b]

Not applying tariffs is not contrary to WTO rules. That's just not true.

No?

“The consumer in the UK will have to pay those duties,” Azevedo said. “The UK is not in a position to decide ‘I’m not charging duties here’. That is impossible. That is illegal.”

Says the WTO boss himself. source (plenty more, it's been very widely reported).

 

I'll take his (no doubt well-informed, legal-checked and PR-checked) word over yours.

 

Same logic (legal principle) applies to every other WTO signatory.

 

We've been through this.

Edited June 23, 2016 by L00b

[Tomjames]

Remain odds have tightened to 1/10.

 

Hope all you guys that put money on an exit covered your bets.

[unbeliever]

No?

Says the WTO boss himself. source (plenty more, it's been very widely reported).

 

I'll take his (no doubt well-informed, legal-checked and PR-checked) word over yours.

 

Same logic (legal principle) applies to every other WTO signatory.

 

We've been through this.

 

So all free trade agreements are illegal then. Somebody ought to tell, pretty much everybody.

[Tomjames]

Although 62% of bets are for leave, some huge bets came in from the city for remain in the last few days up to £100k.

Edited June 23, 2016 by Tomjames
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[L00b]

So all free trade agreements are illegal then. Somebody ought to tell, pretty much everybody.

For a PhD'd scientist, your (seemingly-) monochromatic and simplistic understanding of international trade agreements is surprising.

 

The EU (each EU member state within-) applies WTO tariffs to non-EU states to varying extents, subject to the EU's free and non-free trade agreements with some of these non-EU states and the absence of any agreements with other non-EU states.

 

It's perfectly possible to derogate from standard WTO tariffs in large or discrete respects. Provided that there is an agreement between consenting parties (e.g. EU and Canada recently, US/MX/Canada under NAFTA <etc.>) and that the clauses of the FTA are according to those WTO rules and conditions that permit free trade between members.

 

So, no more EU membership = no more benefitting from the EU's WTO-compliant FTAs with non-EU countries.

 

No pre-existing agreement between the UK and the countries with which the EU has a WTO-compliant FTA = no agreement in place between the UK and these countries (which includes the other EU member states, to be sure)

 

No agreement = standard WTO tariffs apply.

 

As a WTO member, not applying standard WTO tariffs = WTO arbitration and fine.

 

It's not that difficult to comprehend, I'd have thought.

 

Of course, some degree of dispassionate objectivity is required, however.

Edited June 23, 2016 by L00b

[MobileB]

Switzerland have already rejected unlimited free movement in a referendum.

The free movement idea is already in the process of collapsing.

 

It would be absolute madness for the Germans to make it difficult for themselves to sell us cars, or the French food. It would also be politically disastrous for their leaders. If you were the German chancellor, or the French president, what would you do?

 

 

Switzerland rejected in a referendum and their Government is under mandate to renegotiate with EU a new deal before February 2017. So far the EU have refused to negotiate - indeed in March this year Switzerland agreed to allow Croatian citizens form part of the deal which they previously did not.

 

Free movement is a key principle of the European free trade deal and no matter how much Boris bleats on about the madness, as said if they did it for the UK they would need to do it for the other 9 and that simply won't happen.

[Tomjames]

REMAIN 55-60% OF THE VOTE @15/8

 

Bet of the day....

[panzer1]

Just back from a very busy polling station, family vote 4 for out. Strange no exit poll so where are these people who are claiming remain will win, such as shortening betting odds getting their info, or do they just exit poll selective polling stations. This would be a strange thing to do as some areas are allegedly more eurosceptic/ europhile than others.

[I1L2T3]

So all free trade agreements are illegal then. Somebody ought to tell, pretty much everybody.

 

That is not what loob is saying at all. Very carefully read the posts again.

 

The notion of the UK just quickly setting up free trade agreements is absurd anyway. It would take years to strike the deals and transition periods are measured in decades. Is it really in our interests to have zero tariffs on all our trade with China, or with India? They could utterly destroy us! The EU 13% tariff on certain steels nearly took down our steel industry but you want zero tariffs on everything. How many more industries would you sacrifice? I'm pretty convinced you use the 'free trade' term without really knowing what the implications are.

[MobileB]

Just back from a very busy polling station, family vote 4 for out. Strange no exit poll so where are these people who are claiming remain will win, such as shortening betting odds getting their info, or do they just exit poll selective polling stations. This would be a strange thing to do as some areas are allegedly more eurosceptic/ europhile than others.

 

They're actually all at work making sure they keep their job. Try going back between 5 and 8 tonight (beware there will be big queues) and see how the voting is then.

 

As I said previously, just because they don't shout doesn't mean they don't vote. The quiet ones are the ones you need to worry about.