George Osbourne Planning Tax credit cuts: Fair?

[JFKvsNixon]

its unfair for you to suggest that I don't quite understand the situation when its clear that I do. The time will never come because they tried it back in 2005, and so far ten years later have only managed a watered down version of Peer management, due to the fact that each and every minister wants the job when they retire, and why wouldn't they? £300 a day to turn up, thats why. And history proves the lords must stand up now and again in support of the commoner. It's just this time they've stood up to a blatant promise break that is clearly wrong, which is backed by even Tory peers screaming for the bill to be amended.

 

In 2005, the HoLs didn't just break a 100 year tradition on not voting down a financial bill passed by the elected house. Remember as I said earlier, I'm not supporting the bill or the Tories.

[Anna B]

There's been a lot of talk about the Conservatives being democratically elected etc etc etc, but how democratic is it for them to tell bare faced lies in order to get voted in?

 

They said they wouldn't cut tax credits when they were already planning to do just that. Would they have been democratically elected if they had spelled out what cuts they were going to make before the election?

[TJC1]

On that balance of it, prob a good thing to hold a review. There was heavy criticism from both sides MP's, even though it went through.

[WalkleyIan]

A suspect there will be a lot of very relieved Conservative MPs this morning sitting on small majorities in marginals. Rightly or wrongly the Lords have done them a big favour. They may even have swung the 2020 GE.

 

Osborne was looking like a shoe in for next leader of the cons and next PM. May & BoJo's stock must be rising again after this miscalculation on his part.

[WiseOwl182]

There's been a lot of talk about the Conservatives being democratically elected etc etc etc, but how democratic is it for them to tell bare faced lies in order to get voted in?

 

They said they wouldn't cut tax credits when they were already planning to do just that. Would they have been democratically elected if they had spelled out what cuts they were going to make before the election?

 

 

No they didn't. They didn't say what they would cut bit did explicitly rule out child benefit. Since they'd already also ruled out cutting pensions and NHS budgets, to plug then £12bn they pledged it was pretty obvious tax credits would be involved.

 

To anyone thinking we live in a democracy, this action by the House of Lords should be a real wake up call, whether they voted Tory or not.

[Jonny5]

The problem here is that it is too much too quickly. The Tax credits needs addressing but it needs to be staggered. Which is now what will happen.

 

There's been a lot of talk about the Conservatives being democratically elected etc etc etc, but how democratic is it for them to tell bare faced lies in order to get voted in?

A politician lying!? I never!!!

 

Your naivety is either staggering or for show.

 

They said they wouldn't cut tax credits when they were already planning to do just that. Would they have been democratically elected if they had spelled out what cuts they were going to make before the election?

Yes, because the public support the cuts and also because they were up against Ed & Ed, who were an Electoral disaster. Edited October 27, 2015 by Jonny5
comical typo

[JFKvsNixon]

There's been a lot of talk about the Conservatives being democratically elected etc etc etc, but how democratic is it for them to tell bare faced lies in order to get voted in?

 

They said they wouldn't cut tax credits when they were already planning to do just that. Would they have been democratically elected if they had spelled out what cuts they were going to make before the election?

 

Lets not be one eyed about this, all governments break manifesto promises, the Blair government's infamous lie about not introducing tuition fees for example.

[Mister M]

Im actually surprised people have got so upset about some minor cuts, because as far as I cna see hed love to scrap the entire system.

 

Indeed £4 billion from £32 billion. Also strange that the people who urged the Government to think again were arch Thatcherites Lord Lawson & Lord Tebbit.

[JFKvsNixon]

Indeed £4 billion from £32 billion. Also strange that the people who urged the Government to think again were arch Thatcherites Lord Lawson & Lord Tebbit.

 

Maybe they're using this as a stick to attack the PM?

[Mister M]

Maybe they're using this as a stick to attack the PM?

 

Possibly, Norman Tebbit is known not to be a fan of David Cameron, and has written a number of critical articles about his Government.

Though as some others have pointed out, there will be some Conservative MPs in marginal seats that will be pleased that the Lords have rejected the proposals.