Zamo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Nice attempt to rename xenophobia. I renamed the 'fascist' label attached by tzijlstra. Whether it's protectionism or xenophobia depends on whether the perceived threat is rational or not... which is a matter of opinion and open to debate. Vastly wanting to reduce foreigners in a country, to me, sounds like extreme nationalism, especially when it is inferred he is talking about second and third generation immigrants as well. Before slinging the mud why not ask for clarification of a persons views instead of making inferences? I didn't read his post as wanting to expel those already here but rejecting future ones and those here illegally. With exceptions for immigrants with something to offer, I think that's sensible and would be supported by most people in this country. You alienate yourself and your arguments when you call someone fascist for views shared by most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I renamed the 'fascist' label attached by tzijlstra. Whether it's protectionism or xenophobia depends on whether the perceived threat is rational or not... which is a matter of opinion and open to debate. Before slinging the mud why not ask for clarification of a persons views instead of making inferences? I didn't read his post as wanting to expel those already here but rejecting future ones and those here illegally. With exceptions for immigrants with something to offer, I think that's sensible and would be supported by most people in this country. You alienate yourself and your arguments when you call someone fascist for views shared by most people. Good job standing up for a xenophobe Zamo, so I'll put it in front of others, how would you interpret this: Do I sense some open hostility towards the Asian and Caribbean community here? Aside from the typical undertones, you are utterly wrong. Someone who has worked in 't mines all their life on a 15K a year income (averaged out) is lucky to have contributed 70K. If they live longer than 10 years that is only 7K a year before it runs out. Don't let that disturb you though, fortunately there are plenty of invaders who keep adding to the system. Not hostility about them personally but against their numbers. We have far too many foreign peoples in this country and I am one individual that thinks the numbers need reducing.........vastly. Go on - call me racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaster Bate Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I renamed the 'fascist' label attached by tzijlstra. Whether it's protectionism or xenophobia depends on whether the perceived threat is rational or not... which is a matter of opinion and open to debate. Before slinging the mud why not ask for clarification of a persons views instead of making inferences? I didn't read his post as wanting to expel those already here but rejecting future ones and those here illegally. With exceptions for immigrants with something to offer, I think that's sensible and would be supported by most people in this country. You alienate yourself and your arguments when you call someone fascist for views shared by most people. Zamo it seems you'll find your posts taken out of context most times you post, it would seem many on this forum never contribute but just stand and wait for the opportunity to as you put it mud sling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Zamo it seems you'll find your posts taken out of context most times you post, it would seem many on this forum never contribute but just stand and wait for the opportunity to as you put it mud sling. You were invited to make your views known. Am I correct in thinking you include the Caribbean and South-West Asian communities that have been here since the 50s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Strange how this topic has gone on for 8 pages and drifted into the usual areas without answering the relevant question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 In other news, ferry workers in Calais resumed their strike yesterday, causing the same havoc on roads on both sides of the Channel as last week, and the same stampede of Calais illegals trying to board queuing HGVs. They managed to block/shut Eurotunnel mid-afternoon, for a while, as well. Not seen anything in the news about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 In other news, ferry workers in Calais resumed their strike yesterday, causing the same havoc on roads on both sides of the Channel as last week, and the same stampede of Calais illegals trying to board queuing HGVs. They managed to block/shut Eurotunnel mid-afternoon, for a while, as well. Not seen anything in the news about it. Pleased I switched plans to fly+hire rather than drive through the Chunnel coming Monday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 In other news, ferry workers in Calais resumed their strike yesterday, causing the same havoc on roads on both sides of the Channel as last week, and the same stampede of Calais illegals trying to board queuing HGVs. They managed to block/shut Eurotunnel mid-afternoon, for a while, as well. Not seen anything in the news about it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-33340850 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11710137/Holidaymakers-should-avoid-Calais-as-striking-ferry-workers-block-port.html http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/01/road-haulage-association-military-break-calais-strike It's also been all over the radio news.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-33340850 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11710137/Holidaymakers-should-avoid-Calais-as-striking-ferry-workers-block-port.html http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/01/road-haulage-association-military-break-calais-strike It's also been all over the radio news.... Yes, today. I was talking about yesterday (my parents drove through and Chunnelled early afternoon yesterday, missed the mid-afternoon blockade by a whisker). Acc. to them the HGV queue was nearly 6 miles on the French side, and a good 15 miles (double-stacked) on the Brit side. Pleased I switched plans to fly+hire rather than drive through the Chunnel coming Monday...Parents going back next Tuesday, I'm hoping it'll be sorted by then (although I expect it's mostly HGV traffic that's heavily disrupted). Edited July 1, 2015 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Yes, today. I was talking about yesterday (my parents drove through and Chunnelled early afternoon yesterday, missed the mid-afternoon blockade by a whisker). Parents going back next Tuesday, I'm hoping it'll be sorted by then (although I expect it's mostly HGV traffic that's heavily disrupted). It was on the radio yesterday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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