What should a British Muslim do?

[loraward]

If there were something concrete to criticise then I'd be comfortable with that.

But I can't agree with such massive generalisations.

 

If a religion developed round Hitler and its world wide adherents condemned anyone saying anything bad about him, with the occasional act of violence, would you condemn all the adherents or just the ones committing thoses acts of violence?

 

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Indeed. They're also the group of people who are most likely to be killed by Islamic extremists.

 

To make the victims apologise for the crimes done against them seems a backwards leap - for me.

 

But is it Islamic extremists killing Muslims, or is it just Muslims disagreeing with each others interpretation of Islam killing each other.

[Chris_Sleeps]

But is it Islamic extremists killing Muslims, or is it just Muslims disagreeing with each others interpretation of Islam killing each other.

False dichotomy, Smithy.

 

I think in most people's estimations, killing over religious differences is a tiny little bit extreme.

[loraward]

False dichotomy, Smithy.

 

I think in most people's estimations, killing over religious differences is a tiny little bit extreme.

 

 

So is covering your entire body because a book says you should be modest, protesting on the streets over a cartoon, and refraining from consuming food, drinking liquids, smoking, and engaging in sexual relations from dawn until sunset.

[Cyclone]

If a religion developed round Hitler and its world wide adherents condemned anyone saying anything bad about him, with the occasional act of violence, would you condemn all the adherents or just the ones committing thoses acts of violence?

I'd condemn them for different reasons.

The entire group for worshipping a monster, and the specific ones that committed violence for what they had done (and any who encouraged or supported that behaviour along with them).

How does that help?

 

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I'm not sure I was trying to justify anything. No I can categorically say I did not in any way try to justify a thing.

I am fairly confident I asked 2 questions. Neither of which has been answered.

 

I don't see any reason to answer them, they're irrelevant.

 

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And I assume you're perfectly capable of answering them yourself, so rhetorical and redundant as well.

[sgtkate]

So is covering your entire body because a book says you should be modest, protesting on the streets over a cartoon, and refraining from consuming food, drinking liquids, smoking, and engaging in sexual relations from dawn until sunset.

 

Having children take part in a ceremony that has them act out cannibalism, giving up something for a couple of months, talking to yourself while on your knees most days...

 

You can do this for pretty much any religion so I'm not certain I understand your point.

 

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How can there be such thing when the foundation of Islam is the Quran which is considered infallible but calls for the killing and subjugation of none Muslims.

 

Christianity has gone through a number of reinventions that cast off the old teachings. Islam has not.

 

But the bible has not changed since it was written has it? It has had an addition to it that 'made' Christianity but the Old Testament is still there. All that has changed is that some people now interpret it different, or decide to simply ignore whole swathes of it. Much like many Muslims ignore huge swathes of the Quran.

[RonJeremy]

I'd condemn them for different reasons.

The entire group for worshipping a monster, and the specific ones that committed violence for what they had done (and any who encouraged or supported that behaviour along with them).

How does that help?

 

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I don't see any reason to answer them, they're irrelevant.

 

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And I assume you're perfectly capable of answering them yourself, so rhetorical and redundant as well.

 

Then you will know why I asked and I know why you have ignored them. We can leave it at that.

[Marx]

Talha Asmal's family have said they were completely shocked by his actions but what else could they say? I heard that a close relative had been imprisoned for possessing forbidden words and pictures and the family 'tried' to limit Asmal's access to the Internet. His grandfather is a 'respected' figure who has advised the government on how to challenge radicalisation (but not his own family it seems). I find it hard to imagine they were caught completely by surprise by this sad event.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Yes, in general, I think British Muslims need to tone down their religious/cultural beliefs and practices

Or (in a few cases only) just stop killing people? Islam is not the problem; murder is.

[loraward]

I'd condemn them for different reasons.

The entire group for worshipping a monster, and the specific ones that committed violence for what they had done (and any who encouraged or supported that behaviour along with them).

How does that help?

 

Yet you appear to be condemning anyone that does this with regard to Islam.

[Cyclone]

Which bit do you think is analogous, worshipping hitler, or committing violence?

 

Are you comparing Islam to worshipping Hitler? Or claiming that all Muslims support violence?

Edited June 15, 2015 by Cyclone