Cyclone Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yes it is quite interesting that when a non-Muslim commits a crime, it is rarely mentioned that he/she is of a particular faith... Not exactly relevant unless they're committing the crime in the name of the faith is it. Although the faith gets mentioned quite often when (for example) a Catholic priest is caught abusing the choir boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodmally Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 What should they apologise for? Nothing in my view the same way Christians shouldn't apologise for the likes of the IRA or atheists like me shouldn't apologise for Hitler. Every group has its extremist scum who should be treat as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 What use is an apology to anyone? What British Muslims should do is leave behind the religiously infected culture that caused them to be in Britain in the first place i.e. to escape from a dysfunctionality, corrupt, unjust, undemocractic and intolerant country. The religion/culture they raise their children in means they take them to the brink of extremism because even their 'moderate' cultural/religious beliefs are pretty extreme by western standards. They live right next door to the extremist camp, share many of the same beliefs and views and as a result many of their youth take a wrong path and stray over into extremism. The latest Muslim youth to blow himself up in the name of Islam in Iraq may well have been lured over the extremist line by groomers (as his family claim) but his family and community took him to the line with the gift of Islamic culture/religion they bestowed on him. This is the uncomfortable truth that everyone wants to ignore. Islamic extremism is more prevelant because it is a product of nurture not nature. Therefore, what British Muslims need to do is stop doing their religion/culture... or at the very least find a way to tone it down significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 What use is an apology to anyone? What British Muslims should do is leave behind the religiously infected culture that caused them to be in Britain in the first place i.e. to escape from a dysfunctionality, corrupt, unjust, undemocractic and intolerant country. The religion/culture they raise their children in means they take them to the brink of extremism because even their 'moderate' cultural/religious beliefs are pretty extreme by western standards. They live right next door to the extremist camp, share many of the same beliefs and views and as a result many of their youth take a wrong path and stray over into extremism. The latest Muslim youth to blow himself up in the name of Islam in Iraq may well have been lured over the extremist line by groomers (as his family claim) but his family and community took him to the line with the gift of Islamic culture/religion they bestowed on him. This is the uncomfortable truth that everyone wants to ignore. Islamic extremism is more prevelant because it is a product of nurture not nature. Therefore, what British Muslims need to do is stop doing their religion/culture... or at the very least find a way to tone it down significantly. well said zamo (goes away and gets popcorn ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 ....or atheists like me shouldn't apologise for Hitler. Hitler was never an atheist. ---------- Post added 15-06-2015 at 08:21 ---------- What use is an apology to anyone? What British Muslims should do is........ And what you should do is stop deluding yourself that you have any influence whatsoever on the lives of millions of people with whom you never come into contact and who would tell you where to shove your views if you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Hitler was never an atheist. ---------- Post added 15-06-2015 at 08:21 ---------- And what you should do is stop deluding yourself that you have any influence whatsoever on the lives of millions of people with whom you never come into contact and who would tell you where to shove your views if you did. Zamo's post didn't give me the impression that they think they have any influence on the lives of millions of people, so there was nothing delusional about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bloke Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 And what you should do is stop deluding yourself that you have any influence whatsoever on the lives of millions of people with whom you never come into contact and who would tell you where to shove your views if you did. Interesting... ... and the same thing could be said about the terrorists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 What British Muslims should do is....... Zamo's post didn't give me the impression that they think they have any influence on the lives of millions of people, so there was nothing delusional about it. Just fancy that. You're also under the impression that you live in Sheffield whereas you really live in Rotherham. So much for your impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Just fancy that. And that doesn't in any way imply they think they have influence on the lives of millions of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 What use is an apology to anyone? What British Muslims should do is leave behind the religiously infected culture that caused them to be in Britain in the first place i.e. to escape from a dysfunctionality, corrupt, unjust, undemocractic and intolerant country. The religion/culture they raise their children in means they take them to the brink of extremism because even their 'moderate' cultural/religious beliefs are pretty extreme by western standards. They live right next door to the extremist camp, share many of the same beliefs and views and as a result many of their youth take a wrong path and stray over into extremism. The latest Muslim youth to blow himself up in the name of Islam in Iraq may well have been lured over the extremist line by groomers (as his family claim) but his family and community took him to the line with the gift of Islamic culture/religion they bestowed on him. This is the uncomfortable truth that everyone wants to ignore. Islamic extremism is more prevelant because it is a product of nurture not nature. Therefore, what British Muslims need to do is stop doing their religion/culture... or at the very least find a way to tone it down significantly. Well said. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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