Bonzo77 Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 Thank you for your insult. Your whole argument is based on a lie. The FBI has described this as domestic terrorism. How do I know this? Because it has been reported in the media. You said "you will not hear the word terrorism used by any of the main media outlets". That is incorrect, just search "Charleston" and "terrorism". Just because it is also described as a "hate crime" doesn't mean that it is not also terrorism. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33189325 http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/index.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3129887/Dylann-Roof-21-suspected-murdering-nine-race-hate-church-crime-got-gun-birthday-arrested-twice-year-drug-trespassing-charges.html I see the word 'hate crime' and 'loan wolf' banded about a lot. But nothing about terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraward Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33189325 http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/index.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3129887/Dylann-Roof-21-suspected-murdering-nine-race-hate-church-crime-got-gun-birthday-arrested-twice-year-drug-trespassing-charges.html I see the word 'hate crime' and 'loan wolf' banded about a lot. But nothing about terrorism. That's very likley to do with the fact that in this case they don't think its terrorism, which is no different to when some black people or Muslims kill people and its not called terrorism. There have also been plenty of news stories about white terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 Terrence Lavaron Thomas a black Muslim stabbed two people for not being Muslims. He wasn't accused or charged with terrorism. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/17/man-stabs-two-at-a-bus-stop-after-asking-them-if-theyre-muslim/ Thomas was charged with two counts of assault with intent to murder, one count of carrying a dangerous weapon, and one count of possession of a controlled substance — all state charges. Personally don't see what difference its makes, they are both nutters and both need locking up. We also need to understand why both did what they did and that involves looking at the community they came from, what they were taught ect. I think if Terrence Lavaron murdered 2 white people he would have been labelled and tried as a terrorist. I agree, both cases are aberrant and both need locking up. But the media have a clear agenda here. If this crime was committed by a Muslim, the word terrorist would have been shoved down our throats every other sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Isn't it rather pathetic arguing about which label to attach to the murder of several people. These people are dead, killed intentionally and illegally by a person with prior intent. The reason does not really matter, it is the act of murder that is relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelle-82 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Isn't it rather pathetic arguing about which label to attach to the murder of several people. These people are dead, killed intentionally and illegally by a person with prior intent. The reason does not really matter, it is the act of murder that is relevant. Well said.. But you know how people on here love to argue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milquetoast1 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yet is being investigated as a hate crime, committed by a mentally ill white male. You will not hear the word terrorism used by any of the main media outlets. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/18/opinions/bergen-charleston-attack-terrorism/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/06/18/was-what-happened-in-charleston-terrorism/ http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/police-release-photos-of-suspected-charleston-terrorist/ http://video.foxnews.com/v/4306136917001/geraldo-charleston-massacre-an-act-of-domestic-terrorism/?#sp=show-clips http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/18/terrorism-charleston-government-black-lives-matter I could go on. I happen to think that this act is an act of terrorism. I also think it's a hate crime, or racist crime. I don't get upset that somebody chooses to call it one rather than the other, or that one is worse than the other. But your proposal is false. It's a lie. It only helps to fuel into the grievance narrative which in turn fuels terrorism, just as Fox News has helped fuel racist hate crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo77 Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 Isn't it rather pathetic arguing about which label to attach to the murder of several people. These people are dead, killed intentionally and illegally by a person with prior intent. The reason does not really matter, it is the act of murder that is relevant. It's completely relevant what label you give it. ---------- Post added 19-06-2015 at 12:27 ---------- http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/18/opinions/bergen-charleston-attack-terrorism/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/06/18/was-what-happened-in-charleston-terrorism/ http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/police-release-photos-of-suspected-charleston-terrorist/ http://video.foxnews.com/v/4306136917001/geraldo-charleston-massacre-an-act-of-domestic-terrorism/?#sp=show-clips http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/18/terrorism-charleston-government-black-lives-matter I could go on. I happen to think that this act is an act of terrorism. I also think it's a hate crime, or racist crime. I don't get upset that somebody chooses to call it one rather than the other, or that one is worse than the other. But your proposal is false. It's a lie. It only helps to fuel into the grievance narrative which in turn fuels terrorism, just as Fox News has helped fuel racist hate crimes. These are not reports on the attack. These are stories about whether the attack was terrorism or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milquetoast1 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 These are not reports on the attack. These are stories about whether the attack was terrorism or not. Ah, I see. I'm afraid I can't be bothered debating something so slippery and changing. Good luck with your life getting angry over things and insulting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berberis Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 In my opinion, terrorists are people who use terror to further a political or personal agenda. People who just randomly go on a killing spree, regardless of colour, tend to be more of a mentally ill type variety. For example, if the guy who attacked the church was part of a group actively engaged in trying to remove coloured people from the US, and this was carried out as part of that agenda then I would consider it an act of terrorism. Just opening fire on his own makes him more of a nutter to me. Completely correct, I couldn't say it any better myself. This man was not acting on some ideology, he was acting on prejudice. They are very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eater Sundae Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Why have we over the years needed to use the phrase "Hate Crime". It is simply Murder regardless of the reason it was committed. My understanding is the same as the above post that Terror is used to bring about change. Apparently it is a sort of aggravated murder. Maybe ordinary murder is a bit more acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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