ANGELFIRE1 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 According to the "brains" who are on top of this story, paused is Government speak for abandoned. Why not "pause" the silly HS2 at a cost of 50 odd billion and update the existing lines and rolling stock for the benefit of all, not spend zillions for the benefit of the few. Angel1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1978 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Looking like the only big projects forthcoming to the MML are a rebuild of Derby and straightening out the kink in Market Harborough so that capacity can be increased by 1 train an hour. The Transpennine electrification has also being 'paused'. This 'pause' was totally predictable before the election by anyone with an ear close to the track. The over running projects already known about in railway circles should have got to the ears of the opposition politicians. Osborne's great play with HS3 was a total non starter and should have been attacked as such. When the Labour canvasser knocked on my door I took him to task about it, but he hadn't a clue as to what was being planned for any railways, anywhere, despite it having been lead story on the news that day. A pause to rejig the projects is clearly essential as the present plans are shot to ribbons. Now we need to mobilise forces to ensure the pause is only that, an opportunity to get it done right asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DnAuK Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 According to the "brains" who are on top of this story, paused is Government speak for abandoned. Why not "pause" the silly HS2 at a cost of 50 odd billion and update the existing lines and rolling stock for the benefit of all, not spend zillions for the benefit of the few. Angel1. 100% with you on this. Why not start an e-petition about it. Once it gets so many subscribers Government HAVE to consult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottf Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Its ok- don't worry- cross rail AND HS2 are/will still go ahead. Those poor londoners will just about manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Day Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 According to the "brains" who are on top of this story, paused is Government speak for abandoned. Why not "pause" the silly HS2 at a cost of 50 odd billion and update the existing lines and rolling stock for the benefit of all, not spend zillions for the benefit of the few. Angel1. Fair point well put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutch Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Lived in England longer now than any other country and in this time have seen the fewest developments around me. Many things have been cancelled, destroyed, gotten rid of. Still enjoyed every moment of it, even if we stay in the middle ages we can enjoy ourselves with what we got, many people in this world still live without electricity. Edited June 26, 2015 by dutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbiet Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 The first Tory promise broken this Parliament.How many more to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennis Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Its ok- don't worry- cross rail AND HS2 are/will still go ahead. Those poor londoners will just about manage. That's a relief. I would want them to feel ignored. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Before the water is muddied by misleading posts: Definite: HS2 has nothing to do with Network Rail and the funding is totally separate. Network Rail is now 'nationalized' and its £37 billion debt appears on the Governments books. Austerity. NR cannot complete tasks on time*. The announcement "pauses" TransPennine North and MML electrification and awaits report from the new boss of NR. Signalling, re-modelling etc goes ahead. Implications: *Best advert for HS2- every time NR and their predecessors try and upgrade a Victorian Railway they understimate the difficulties- every major project has failed. Every new project has succeded or bettered its targets. Journeys times to Lancashire and West Yorkshire will be faster than to Sheffield. Meridian 222s to continue in service and will fail emission targets. Current rolling stock between Sheffield and Lancashire will be downgraded. ECML HSTs will transfer to MML -slowing services north of Bedford. Increased capacity/speed of track will be negated by use of HST. Current EMT HSTs will be non-compliant in four years. The implication is Sheffield becomes an even less attractive backwater as far as investment goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Day Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Before the water is muddied by misleading posts: Definite: HS2 has nothing to do with Network Rail and the funding is totally separate. It doesn't really matter - the money comes from us, the customers / tax payers. The Midland Mainline directly serves far more people than HS2 will going from Sheffield - London. That's not a dig at you btw Annie, I know it's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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