MML electrification "paused"

[Phili Buster]

The report also says switching to the new 'dual' trains will increase capacity by 50% at peak times.

 

That makes HS2 even more baffling.

 

 

 

I missed that, thanks for adding the information

[Dan_Ashcroft]

Electrification between Kettering, Nottingham and Sheffield has been officially scrapped. Instead they will replace existing stock with new Bi-Mode trains which will in theory shorten journey times by upto 20 minutes, this they say removes the need for electrification. This also brings MML journey times to within 15 minutes of those proposed for HS2.

 

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/sheffield-mainline-upgrade-scrapped-1-8659969

 

It doesn't remove the need for electrification, as diesel is horrifically polluting and generally being phased out as a fuel by 2040.

[WaveyDavey]

So it is possible to make a (theoretical) saving of 20 minutes on journey times by just changing to Bi-Mode trains.

 

I also believe savings can be made to journey times by better settling maintenance to relaid track beds so reducing the requirement for induced slower running as the track re-settles.

 

Compared to the vast costs of HS2 these changes could be a better and more quickly implemented option.

 

The reduction in journey times is basically due to two things.... Line speed improvements between Derby and Sheffield and a reduction in the number of peak trains that call at any stations south of Kettering.

 

The report also says switching to the new 'dual' trains will increase capacity by 50% at peak times.

 

That makes HS2 even more baffling.

 

The extra capacity mentioned at peak times is due to the number of seats on those trains.... With the peak trains not calling at any stations south of Kettering that reduces the number of passengers getting on that section of the journey therefore increasing the capacity of that train.

 

What people seem to not realise about HS2 and it's increase on capacity is that the capacity increase relates to the infrastructure and the amount of trains that can be run (Both for passenger trains on existing network and HS2 and freight trains on existing network). Too often people get this and the capacity on the trains themselves as mentioned above mixed up but they are two totally different issues.

[geared]

It doesn't remove the need for electrification, as diesel is horrifically polluting and generally being phased out as a fuel by 2040.

 

So buy (about) 2022 they will introduce new trains (which run diesel) despite the ever increasing cost of the fuel but with a view to retiring the trains after 18 years anyway??

 

Is this because the MML electrification project was botched?

[Dan_Ashcroft]

So buy (about) 2022 they will introduce new trains (which run diesel) despite the ever increasing cost of the fuel but with a view to retiring the trains after 18 years anyway??

 

Is this because the MML electrification project was botched?

 

The trains will be electric ones, with an old diesel motor bolted on.

 

So they will still work when diesel refinement stops in a few years, but the electric lines will need to be in place or they'll end up stranded.

[Guest sibon]

The trains will be electric ones, with an old diesel motor bolted on.

 

So they will still work when diesel refinement stops in a few years, but the electric lines will need to be in place or they'll end up stranded.

 

You can run them on cooking oil.

 

A quick trip to Tesco will solve the problem

[1978]

Let's look on the bright side, whenever there's a problem with overhead wires on the east or west coast mainlines the service effectively stops. As an example, only diesel HSTs can divert along the Newcastle-Carlisle, but the majority of trains are marooned unless they can be rescued by a diesel locomotive.

 

A bi-modal unit has greater flexibility.

 

The technology isn't new. The Spanish route from Madrid to El Ferrol is operated by trains that are both bi-modal and can operate on two gauges. (A major crash near Santiago got brief attention in the UK a few years ago.)

[martin6]

Doesn't the hs2 spur require electrification in to Sheffield

[pss60]

Let's look on the bright side, whenever there's a problem with overhead wires on the east or west coast mainlines the service effectively stops. As an example, only diesel HSTs can divert along the Newcastle-Carlisle, but the majority of trains are marooned unless they can be rescued by a diesel locomotive.

 

A bi-modal unit has greater flexibility.

 

The technology isn't new. The Spanish route from Madrid to El Ferrol is operated by trains that are both bi-modal and can operate on two gauges. (A major crash near Santiago got brief attention in the UK a few years ago.)

 

And this 'looking on the bright side' is the reason why much of the North has been left for dead by London and the South East. I suppose your way of looking at life is "Who needs a house when you can live in a shed". If you're happy with second best, then expect second best. Sheffield, Nottingham, Derby and Leicester have just been treated like crap in case you haven't noticed, and this was sneaked out after Parliament had finished for the summer recess. If there is one thing worse than an outright lie, it is a broken promise, especially one that had been promised over and over again for the last five years like Midland Mainline electrification, and if the voters have any sense, a string of Tory MPs will lose their seats at the next General Election along that route, and as for the voters of places like Dronfield, who couldn't wait to switch their votes from UKIP to the Tories last month, it is Downing Street and not Brussels who have shafted you good and proper here.

 

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The report also says switching to the new 'dual' trains will increase capacity by 50% at peak times.

 

That makes HS2 even more baffling.

 

The big capacity increases are needed for Leeds and Manchester to London. Sheffield to London has a much smaller demand than Leeds and Manchester to London.

Edited July 21, 2017 by pss60

[Phili Buster]

Sorry to resurrect this topic but this appeared to be of relevance rather than creating a new topic.

 

In view of the recent decision to ban the sale of diesel and petrol powered cars in favour of electric cars, what impact is this decision likely to have on MML electrification?

 

Does this mean that the MML will be electrified by 2040 or will hybrid (or duel fuel) engines be utilised?

 

I am not too sure about hybrid cars, I have seen articles that suggest these would also not be sold after 2040 whereas others suggest these would, hence the confusion.