2015- July Budget

[Cyclone]

Calculator here to see the affect on you/family.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/11726113/Budget-calculator-work-out-how-your-finances-have-changed.html

 

Says that me and the SO will be about £400 better off.

[phoenixboy]

I think it's an irrelevance.

 

The student will either succeed on the back of his/her degree and make good money - in which case he/she can afford to pay off the loan.

 

or

 

they will not get a good job (poor choice of degree, maybe?) and so will never have to pay it back. So no problem for them.

 

People from poor backgrounds are able to go the university, without being frightened off by the cost and debt - THIS IS A GOOD THING. Unfortunately, some people do not realize this - maybe they are not university material.

 

Nothing in life is for free. Someone has to pay for everyone having the opportunity to go to University. The system still puts the majority of the cost (especially in the short term, and possibly even longer term depending how the whole thing pans out) at the door of taxpayers in general, regardless of whether or not they have had the chance of a University education. On balance, University education has helped others achieve a higher salary than average, so they will be paying more.

 

on a maintainace grant, they didnt have that loan to begin with....

 

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Growing the economy is good for everybody.

Growing the public sector by borrowing may look good on the short term figures but it's a house of cards as Gordon Brown spectacularly demonstrated.

 

Young people have yet more facility to borrow money at highly preferential, subsidised rates to pursue heavily subsidised higher education; but are deterred from looking upon it as a way to burn 4 years getting drunk.

 

If you want more state spending, you'll have to think of a way to raise the money in a way that doesn't slash private sector investment; then we can discuss it.

 

how about the 31bn unpaid tax gap?

[unbeliever]

on a maintainace grant, they didnt have that loan to begin with....

 

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how about the 31bn unpaid tax gap?

 

It's being addressed. It's difficult.

Labour never did much about it.

[phoenixboy]

actually scrap that, HMRC take months to deal with the most basic of tasks...let alone collecting the right taxes.

 

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It's being addressed. It's difficult.

Labour never did much about it.

 

osbournes gone for the low hanging fruit. young people and poor dont vote...where as big business can lobby, stall and otherwise make it very difficult for the government to collect. this way he keeps corporate happy while slowly inching his way to next door in downing street.

 

Just a thought...

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[unbeliever]

actually scrap that, HMRC take months to deal with the most basic of tasks...let alone collecting the right taxes.

 

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osbournes gone for the low hanging fruit. young people and poor dont vote...where as big business can lobby, stall and otherwise make it very difficult for the government to collect.

 

Just a thought...

 

I suppose it's a valid hypothesis. Doesn't sound very plausible to me.

Anyway, nobody is stopping young/poor people from voting. I've lived all over and the polling station has never been beyond walking distance.

You can't really complain that the government doesn't listen to you if you're too bone-idle or daft to raise you're damn hand once every 5 years.

Edited July 9, 2015 by unbeliever

[phoenixboy]

I suppose it's a valid hypothesis. Doesn't sound very plausible to me.

Anyway, nobody is stopping young/poor people from voting. I've lived all over and the polling station has never been beyond walking distance.

You can't really complain that the government doesn't listen to you if you're too bone-idle or daft to raise you're damn hand once every 5 years.

 

the vote doesnt count. if every 18-21 year old voted in south yorkshire, it wouldnt have made any difference to the outcome of the election. We would have still ended up with a conservative government.

[unbeliever]

the vote doesnt count. if every 18-21 year old voted in south yorkshire, it wouldnt have made any difference to the outcome of the election. We would have still ended up with a conservative government.

 

Of course, yes. I understand now. The MPs should be selected based on the votes they get from the South Yorkshire youth. Doesn't matter how anybody else votes does it?

 

Political parties change policy based on votes. Even if your guys don't win, you shape policy. There's no excuse for not voting, many of us consider it a duty.

If you don't vote, some politicians will worry about you on account of their conscience, but pragmatically they're not well motivated to serve your best interests. If you don't vote, don't bother complaining about the government because you'll get zero sympathy from me.

 

My favoured candidate lost in my constituency. I pretty much knew he was going to. Safe Labour seat and all. I voted anyway.

I also voted yes to AV. We lost fair and square, so I no longer complain.

Did you vote?

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[geared]

if i was 18-21 or under 25 on low income id be royally ****** off right now wouldnt you?

 

If I could be 18-21 again right now I'd be over the moon to be honest with you :hihi::hihi:

[phoenixboy]

Of course, yes. I understand now. The MPs should be selected based on the votes they get from the South Yorkshire youth. Doesn't matter how anybody else votes does it?

 

Political parties change policy based on votes. Even if your guys don't win, you shape policy. There's no excuse for not voting, many of us consider it a duty.

If you don't vote, some politicians will worry about you on account of their conscience, but pragmatically they're not well motivated to serve your best interests. If you don't vote, don't bother complaining about the government because you'll get zero sympathy from me.

 

i used south yorkshire as an example...could have been many others.

if the vote doesnt count, as is the case under this voting system. then what is the motivation to vote?

i believe we should give 16 year olds the vote. happened in scotland and it worked.

[DnAuK]

Growing the economy is good for everybody.

Growing the public sector by borrowing may look good on the short term figures but it's a house of cards as Gordon Brown spectacularly demonstrated.

 

Young people have yet more facility to borrow money at highly preferential, subsidised rates to pursue heavily subsidised higher education; but are deterred from looking upon it as a way to burn 4 years getting drunk.

 

If you want more state spending, you'll have to think of a way to raise the money in a way that doesn't slash private sector investment; then we can discuss it.

 

Those 60% are either earning minimum wage in which case they just got a pay rise, or they're unemployed in which case they just got slightly less free money that somebody else had to earn .

 

On some forums you can give +reputation to posters that actually come up with common sense. If that was the case on here you'd get a whole bunch of it from me. Best sense I've seen all day.