What effect has greece had on your decision to leave euro?

[E-Man Groovin]

I am a Europhile and will probably continue to be. I think that the UK's natural place is in the European community. Just look at the history - England once owned a huge chunk of France, and was earlier ruled by Italians (Romans), she has had treaties with Portugal and was beaten about and ruled by various hairy Scandinavians (Vikings). How can you say that her place is elsewhere?

 

I feel I have more in common with the citizens of France, Denmark and Italy than with those in the US or China.

 

However, while I am a visceral European, aspects of EU leadership are starting to irk. I always supported their championing of human rights and closer integration with our neighbours. However, I wasn't over keen on the expansion to the east which seemed to have more to do with capitalist ideas about reducing labour costs and increasing market size than anything else.

 

Then came TTIP. I am TOTALLY against this idea and could not understand why my beloved EU, champion of human rights and bulwark against corporate monopolies would be lining up to sign this. And now Greece - the EU is seeming to represent big business at the cost of the ordinary citizen.

 

So I've been a strong Europhile, but I'm becoming ever more concerned about the leadership of this organisation.

[TheRocketMan]

Tony Blair was a socialist? Lol

 

Not really, Tony Blair & 'New Labour' used the Third Way politics system as they knew at that point that Socialism was not a realistic way of running a country.

[DrNorm]

I am a Europhile and will probably continue to be. I think that the UK's natural place is in the European community.

 

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So I've been a strong Europhile, but I'm becoming ever more concerned about the leadership of this organisation.

 

I feel the same ... the more people you can bring together under common ideals and rules the better. It's the practicalities that's the problem and the lack of power of MEPs. Who knows who they are or pays attention to them?

 

Specifically on the Euro - in theory we should be better off with a single currency. I don't hear anyone advising individual states in America to go it alone and adopting their own state currency.

 

The problem with the Euro is that countries were allowed to join and stay in while breaking the rules.

 

With regards to Greek's bail out it's still not clear to me how much the debt is due to the failing of capitalist banks or socialist governments.

[Cyclone]

I don't care really, Greece should get out while they can, we are not in it and should never join it, every country should take care of themselves and stop sticking their noses in other countries' affairs!

 

And then we can solve differences in the same way we did in 1914 and 1938. Yeah.

[I1L2T3]

Before this my view was that we should seek to stay in the EU purely for the single market, but have to say I gave the Eurozone the benefit of the doubt seeing them as a misguided bloc but nethertheless acting with the best intentions.

 

My view now is that we still need to stay in the EU but being in a single market is our maximum involvement. If the EU started trying to push us around like they the Greeks then quite honestly I would consider supporting an EU exit.

 

The way the Eurozone core has reacted to the Greeks daring to act democratically is nothing short of a disgrace.

[ANGELFIRE1]

I have 55 million reasons EVERY DAY to leave the failed experiment that is the EU.

 

We have folk without a house to live in, tens upon tens of thousands of our citizens who are on the breadline, hospitals closing wards, schools full to bursting, and we as a country hand over 55 million A DAY to the failed EU. It's madness, sheer madness.

 

They say the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different outcome to occur. We keep paying in and paying in, and the madness continues, our brass is swallowed up like a bloody whale sucking in plankton.

 

Angel1.

[Eater Sundae]

Before this my view was that we should seek to stay in the EU purely for the single market, but have to say I gave the Eurozone the benefit of the doubt seeing them as a misguided bloc but nethertheless acting with the best intentions.

 

My view now is that we still need to stay in the EU but being in a single market is our maximum involvement. If the EU started trying to push us around like they the Greeks then quite honestly I would consider supporting an EU exit.

 

The way the Eurozone core has reacted to the Greeks daring to act democratically is nothing short of a disgrace.

 

Of course Greece can act as democratically as they wish.

 

However, if they want to remain members of the Euro club, they have to abide by the rules of the club.

[Mr Gobby]

We should get out ,there are too many leechers draining the life blood from the UK .

[I1L2T3]

Of course Greece can act as democratically as they wish.

 

However, if they want to remain members of the Euro club, they have to abide by the rules of the club.

 

The problem there is that the election of a government that is fully compliant with the EZ core is not guaranteed, as we are seeing. Such governments aren't as you say compatible with what the technocrats want. If governments must be compliant then democracy is at risk. Follow the logic through then maybe you would start to question the point of elections if a country must always have a certain type of government to be compliant with the EZ?

 

Not good.

[apelike]

It has not changed my opinion at all as I will still vote to leave the EU ASP.