What effect has greece had on your decision to leave euro?

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Ooh, point me to where it says that is the exclusive goal in the treaties!?

Sure! 1957 treaty. See House of Commons details at http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7230

Unimpeachable enough for you?

[mattleonard]

Ooh, point me to where it says that is the exclusive goal in the treaties!?

 

Do you want another try, Jeffrey?

[Jeffrey Shaw]

The linked document says this:

 

The 1957 Treaty Establishing the European Community contained the objective of laying the foundations of an “ever closer union among the peoples of Europe”.

 

This aim has remained in the EU Treaties ever since, surviving several Treaty amendments and one attempt to replace it with the phrase “federal union”.

 

The EU Court of Justice interprets the EU Treaties and EU law, and is therefore bound to take into account the aim of “ever closer union” in its Opinions and Judgments. Few actually refer to this aim, but the “spirit” of closer union is much more often referred to in Court of Justice rulings.

 

Is that insufficiently clear for you?

[L00b]

Unimpeachable enough for you?

Not really, once you bother reading the case summaries listed in the document starting on page 7

 

Oooh, the evil European Courts, invoking this headline-grabbing "ever closer union" catch-all for the purpose of standing up for EU citizens' right to access EU and non-EU documents, for basic principles of democracy, for the free movement of persons. How very dare they

Is that insufficiently clear for you?

What's clear is that it's not an exclusive objective. I did not think that point was worth raising with you, you can read a legal document at least as well as the next person

 

Peace amongst EU Member States is another such objective, as are all the other practical manifestations of 'ever closer union' clearly spelled out in Article 2 TEC. Lest we forget (since the pdf does not bother to translate it, but conveniently shortens it with focus on the last 'closer relations between the States belonging to it'): to promote a harmonious development of economic activities within the Community as a whole, a continuous and balanced development, an increased stability, a faster increase in the standard of living (and closer relations between the States belonging to it, to finish).

Edited July 23, 2015 by L00b

[mattleonard]

Is that insufficiently clear for you?

 

No - not to suggest that it is the exclusive goal of the EU. No, it isn't.

 

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Although no doubt the reason that it isn't clear is that the mass media (ie the evil BBC, wahahaha) have been deliberately keeping us in the dark.