retep Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 With the PDO in a cooling phase and sunspot activity down, we have still had the warmest 12 months on record. If a volcano goes up and drops temperatures for a bit... that won't affect the overall warming trend that the article attests to with the evidence of the PDO and sunspot activity. The wheels are falling off your wagon wiki give it up as a bad job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 The wheels are falling off your wagon wiki give it up as a bad job. 98% of those publishing articles on Climate research agree with the IPCC view. Preliminary reviews of scientific literature and surveys of climate scientists indicate striking agreement with the primary conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for “most” of the “unequivocal” warming of the Earth’s average global temperature over the second half of the twentieth century… A vocal minority of researchers and other critics contest the conclusions of the mainstream scientific assessment, frequently citing large numbers of scientists whom they believe support their claims. This group, often termed climate change skeptics, contrarians, or deniers, has received large amounts of media attention and wields significant influence in the societal debate about climate change impacts and policy…. Despite media tendencies to present ‘both sides’ in ACC debates [anthropogenic climate change], which can contribute to continued public misunderstanding regarding ACC, not all climate researchers are equal in scientific credibility and expertise in the climate system. This extensive analysis of the mainstream versus skeptical/contrarian researchers suggests a strong role for considering expert credibility in the relative weight of and attention to these groups of researchers in future discussions in media, policy, and public forums regarding anthropogenic climate change.. http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/study-scientific-consensus-climate-change-411.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 98% of those publishing articles on Climate research agree with the IPCC view. http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/study-scientific-consensus-climate-change-411.html Another loose cotter pin them wheels are looking a bit unsteady, http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/50285-ice-ridge-not-global-warming-causing-major-glacier-to-melt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Another loose cotter pin them wheels are looking a bit unsteady, http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/50285-ice-ridge-not-global-warming-causing-major-glacier-to-melt So one particular glacier is melting for reasons other than global warming.... That is no reason to doubt global warming is happening elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USUK Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 The Glaciers have been melting for the past 18,000 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convert Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 So one particular glacier is melting for reasons other than global warming.... That is no reason to doubt global warming is happening elsewhere. Wouldn't that make it local warming elsewhere then? Surely Global means Global, the WHOLE Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Ice mass loss is occurring at an accelerated rate in Greenland, Antarctica and globally from inland glaciers. Arctic sea ice is also falling at an accelerated rate. The exception to this ice loss is Antarctic sea ice which has been growing despite the warming Southern Ocean. This is due to local factors unique to the area. http://www.skepticalscience.com/melting-ice-global-warming.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 The Glaciers have been melting for the past 18,000 years Simply untrue in anything more than the pedantic sense of summer melts. The arctic ice sheet went through considerable growth around 1250, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Antartic sea ice has been increasing steadily for the last few decades though hasn't it? http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html http://www.news.com.au/antarctic-ice-is-growing-not-melting-away/story-0-1225700043191 Ice mass loss is occurring at an accelerated rate in Greenland, Antarctica Which makes this what, another mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 (edited) Antartic sea ice has been increasing steadily for the last few decades though hasn't it? http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html http://www.news.com.au/antarctic-ice-is-growing-not-melting-away/story-0-1225700043191 Which makes this what, another mistake? No mistake, the full paragraph clarified. Antarctica is a Continent and the land ice is melting. The reason that sea ice is not, despite the warming ocean is explained on the link: The one exception to this pattern of accelerating ice loss is Antarctic sea ice which has shown long term growth since satellites began measurements in 1979. This is despite the fact that the Southern Ocean has been warming faster than the rest of the world's oceans. Globally from 1955 to 1995, ocean have been warming at 0.1°C per decade. In contrast, the Southern Ocean has been warming at 0.17°C per decade. Not only is the Southern Ocean warming, it is warming faster than the global trend. If the Southern Ocean is warming, why is Antarctic sea ice increasing? There are several contributing factors. The hole in the ozone layer above the South Pole strengthens cyclonic winds that circle the Antarctic continent. The wind pushes sea ice around, creating areas of open water known as polynyas. More polynyas leads to increased sea ice production. Another contributor is changes in ocean circulation which cause less heat is transported upwards from the deeper, warmer layer. Hence less sea ice is melted Ps your Australian article is out of date too, the East Antarctic previously thought to be stable is losing Ice too now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371773.stm Edited June 23, 2010 by Wildcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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