Am I still allowed to question climate change?

[Wildcat]

You may note I said "near exponentially".

 

And increasing energy harvest from sustainable sources.

 

Yes but it is not near exponential growth. That would at least require the growth rate to be increasing, but it isn't the growth rate is decreasing.

[Hairyloon]

Yes but it is not near exponential growth. That would at least require the growth rate to be increasing, but it isn't the growth rate is decreasing.

No. A steady growth rate causes exponential growth; it is the same as compound interest.

 

And looking again at the growth rate graph from the page you linked to, I am not convinced they have enough data to give such an accurate prediction: it only covers 60 years, including it seems, a couple of baby booms.

We cannot say that the current decline in rate is an actual trend, or simply natural variability.

The rate may follow the blue curve they predict, it may level off, or it may (we can hope) go into a steeper decline.

 

But there are many who will argue that the planet cannot even sustain the current population.

Certainly we cannot maintain the current level of energy consumption, and how effectively can we farm without diesel for the tractors?

[convert]

Looks like the railway engineer is on the way out, as Lord Turnbull, the former head of the UK civil service, says the government must push for new leadership of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

 

Source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11303686

 

 

 

...A change at the top of IPCC was implicitly recommended in a recent review by the InterAcademy Council (IAC), which represents the world's leading science academies.

 

The report said the IPCC's leadership should serve no more than one term of office; but the current chairman, the Indian engineer and economist Professor Rajendra Pachauri, is already into his second term...

 

...In a foreword to the Global Warming Policy Foundation report, Lord Turnbull says: "The government should demand that the changes recommended by the IAC in practice, governance and leadership should be implemented immediately for the Fifth Assessment."

 

Later he told BBC News: "It is crystal clear that the IAC intends Professor Pachauri to go now."

 

Commenting on the troubles faced by the IPCC and the University of East Anglia (UEA) - which was at the heart of the Climategate affair - the UK's former top mandarin warned: "Gone are the times when the 'authorities' could largely assert their message without challenge using their superior resources, and thereby ensure that difficult issues remain hidden.

 

"We increasingly live in the world of Erin Brockovich versus Pacific Gas and Electric, where committed individuals with few resources can dig away at an issue. Armed with strengthened rights to information and the forensic power of the internet they will eventually get to the truth, and quick but superficial inquiries will not stand in their way."

 

 

The full Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) report can be found here:

 

http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/Climategate-Inquiries.pdf

[convert]

More good news at the BBC...

 

Looks like Arctic Ice isn't melting as fast as the alarmists thought.

 

 

Ice floating on the Arctic Ocean melted unusually quickly this year, but did not shrink down to the record minimum area seen in 2007.

 

That is the preliminary finding of US scientists who say the summer minimum seems to have passed and the ice has entered its winter growth phase.

 

2010's summer Arctic ice minimum is the third smallest in the satellite era.

 

Researchers say projections of summer ice disappearing entirely within the next few years increasingly look wrong...

 

 

Source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11322310

[retep]

More good news at the BBC...

 

Looks like Arctic Ice isn't melting as fast as the alarmists thought.

 

 

 

Source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11322310

 

Looks like that info is a bit dodgy aswell,

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/15/noaas-sea-ice-extent-blunder/

[Wildcat]

More good news at the BBC...

 

Looks like Arctic Ice isn't melting as fast as the alarmists thought.

 

Source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11322310

 

Not sure what makes you to think that?

 

Your link tells a very worrying story.

 

There is a short video about Arctic Sea Ice here that puts things in perspective visually. It includes Dr Barber talking about his visit to the arctic on an icebreaker and him finding that the thick sea ice that the satellites were reporting was in fact thin surface sea ice with broken up old lumps of ice underneath. Conditions that barely affected the icebreakers speed of travel. It took them 3 days of searching to find a section of old ice.

 

I guess the reassurance you think we should be feeling is that the article says 2013 is unlikely to be Ice free? That is good. Dr barber, the person that made that prediction said the arctic would be free of Ice somewhere between 2013 and 2030. So he is not really an alarmist and the results and knowledge we have on the topic today not particularly reassuring.

 

Just for context on whether Dr Barber is an alarmist in this lecture (starts 12 mins in)

 

http://video.hint.no/mmt201v10/osc/?vid=55

 

He says in the 1980s he was sceptical of climate change, he thought it was down to natural variations. In the 1990s he thought the Arctic would be free of ice in 2100, in 1998 by 2050, in 2005 he thought by 2030 and in 2008 he made the claim it would be free of ice sometime between 2013 and 2030.

 

His lecture is worth watching if you have 45 mins.

[convert]

Yet more pressure for the 'Hans Christian Anderson' of Climate Change, or should that now be 'Global Climate Disruption', to resign; and this time it's coming from his side of the fence.

 

 

The Indian chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been dogged by controversy since he was forced to admit a serious error in a landmark report arguing the case for man-made global warming earlier this year.

 

Climate sceptics have long been vocal cricitcs of Dr Pachauri, but environmentalists and politicians have now joined a chorus of voices calling for his resignation after eight years in the job following an independent report last month that recommended chairmen of the IPCC should serve for no longer than six years.

 

Dr Pachauri's standing was badly damaged earlier this year when it emerged that the claim in a 2007 report by the IPCC that the Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035 was a mistake.

 

The former railways engineer has admitted the error dealt a grave blow to the credibility of the IPCC, which was set up to sift through scientific research and produce the most authoritative reports for the UN.

 

Tim Yeo, chairman of the House of Commons Energy and Climate Change Select Committee, joined calls for his resignation this morning.

 

"I’m afraid I think Dr Pachauri should resign. Firstly he personally has lost credibility, particularly in relation to his claim about the melting of the Himalayan glaciers in the next 30 years," he told the BBC.

 

He added: "It’s vital that this body is led by someone whose academic and intellectual credentials are unquestioned and I’m afraid that can no longer be said of him."

 

The Indian government has swung its full support behind Dr Pachauri, but many of the chairman's former allies now believe that he should resign in order to avert a clash between India and the IPCC.

 

The BBC reported that Professor Sir Brian Hoskins, the eminent British climatologist, is among those who now believe that Dr Pachauri has no alternative but to step down.

 

Greenpeace said in February that Dr Pachauri's resignation and the installation of a new leader would restore confidence in the IPCC.

 

A damning report into the running of the UN climate change panel by the independent InterAcademy Council recommend last month that the chairman should serve only one six-year-term at a time and called for checks on conflicts of interest by board members.

 

The review did not comment specifically on Dr Pachauri's tenure but the one-term recommendation would force the current chairman's out of office if accepted, as he is already serving his second term.

 

Dr Pachauri has also come under scrutiny because of his other role leading The Energy Research Institute (Teri), a think tank promoting sustainable development.

 

Questions have been raised about "conflicts of interest", with some arguing that Dr Pachauri had a vested interest in proving climate change by business dealings with carbon trading companies. However he was cleared on any financial wrongdoing recently by an independent review.

 

The 70-year-old has also hit the headlines for ‘steamy novels’ he penned while travelling the world in his demanding job.

 

 

Source http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8019691/Pressure-mounting-for-Rajendra-Pachauri-to-resign-as-IPCC-head.html

 

Also see http://www.copenhagencarbon.com/news/69/

 

 

Perhaps he could take on a new role when he leaves the IPCC.... Maybe they could put him in charge of building work at the commonwealth games

Edited September 23, 2010 by convert

[retep]

This should warm up the climate,

Samoan clerics finger homosexuals over global warming

Shock at conference on climate change and creativity,

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/21/climate_change/

[convert]

Looks like Global Warming / Climate Change is off the agenda for the movers and shakers of the Bilderberg group http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/meeting_2010.html .

 

 

The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 - 6 June 2010. The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, Global Cooling, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations. Approximately 130 participants will attend of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America. About one-third is from government and politics, and two-thirds are from finance, industry, labor, education, and communications. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion.

 

Looks like the next main threat is Global Cooling then...

 

 

Or maybe not...

 

 

From the administration that brought you "man-caused disaster" and "overseas contingency operation," another terminology change is in the pipeline.

 

The White House wants the public to start using the term "global climate disruption" in place of "global warming"

 

 

So have they made their mind (and possibly the numbers) up yet?

 

Are we warming, cooling changing or being disruptive?

 

 

 

 

You couldn't make it up.....

 

 

 

Oh hang on a minute...

[spinac]

The Bilderberg group? not clear what your point is ...

 

From Wikipedia ... Historically, attendee lists have been weighted towards politicians, bankers, and directors of large businesses ... oh right you noted that ... so ...