Am I still allowed to question climate change?

[Wildcat]

I was highlighting the fact that even in our own lifetime there have been many different end of the world scenarios sold to the general public that have not come true.

 

The fact remains that every generation had its apocalypse predictions. Every civilisation had one from the dawn of time but we are still here and we are not going anywhere.

 

And in the cases you have highlighted we have either dealt with them or they continue to be of concern.

 

Yes religions have apocalyptic scenarios, so what?

 

We are not talking here about religious belief we are talking about the result of scientific studies.

 

I was just about to edit my post to include this link, but since you have responded have a look at what NOAA is saying about the Arctic:

 

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20101021_arcticreportcard.html

[truman]

We are not talking here about religious belief

 

Are you sure?

[BritPat]

Is Wildcat the only person left on this planet who still believes in man made global warming?

 

Unfortunately not. Wildcat claims to be an atheist yet he shows a religious zeal regarding this issue, perhaps he should have sought to understand what Richard Feynman wrote instead of merely reading it.

 

Convert's post re the more balanced approach to be taken by The Royal Society might possibly temper Wildcat's wish to impose 'The Inquisition' for the heretics

 

Wildcat does have a habit of 'appealing to authority' after all and The Royal Society does qualify as 'Authority'.

 

The Royal Society takes notice of the fact that 'Predicting' future temperatures and effects is subject to such a degree of error that the predictions themselves are meaningless it's a pity Wildcat needs such an august institution to point out 'The bleeding obvious' when the system under discussion Climate is a nonlinear one.

[Wildcat]

Unfortunately not. Wildcat claims to be an atheist yet he shows a religious zeal regarding this issue, perhaps he should have sought to understand what Richard Feynman wrote instead of merely reading it.

 

Convert's post re the more balanced approach to be taken by The Royal Society might possibly temper Wildcat's wish to impose 'The Inquisition' for the heretics

 

Wildcat does have a habit of 'appealing to authority' after all and The Royal Society does qualify as 'Authority'.

 

The Royal Society takes notice of the fact that 'Predicting' future temperatures and effects is subject to such a degree of error that the predictions themselves are meaningless it's a pity Wildcat needs such an august institution to point out 'The bleeding obvious' when the system under discussion Climate is a nonlinear one.

 

That would be this document?

 

Including this as part of its conclusion:

 

There is strong evidence that changes in greenhouse gas concentrations due to human activity are the dominant cause of the global warming that has taken place over the last half century. This warming trend is expected to continue as are changes in precipitation over the long term in many regions. Further and more rapid increases in sea level are likely which will have profound implications for coastal communities and ecosystems.

 

http://royalsociety.org/climate-change-summary-of-science/

 

In other words whatever your source of information, by the time you have regurgitated it, it bears very little resemblence to what the Royal Society actually said.

 

May I suggest therefore you review your faith in the source of your information. It often helps to check out your primary sources if they are available rather than simply looking for information you want to believe and then accepting it as true.

Edited November 27, 2010 by Wildcat

[Wildcat]

Are you sure?

 

Are you stupid?

[Stormy]

Just to lighten the mood, here is a deliciously funny article from the Independent, printed back in 2000.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

 

including: "Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters - which scientists are attributing to global climate change - produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries."

 

Note how back then, global warming meant there would be no snow. Now they tell us that extra snow is part of "climate change." Make your minds up!

[spinac]

Just to lighten the mood, here is a deliciously funny article from the Independent, printed back in 2000.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

 

including: "Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters - which scientists are attributing to global climate change - produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries."

 

Note how back then, global warming meant there would be no snow. Now they tell us that extra snow is part of "climate change." Make your minds up!

 

They? Would that be journalists or scientists?

[Grandad.Malky]

Global Warming

 

Earliest snow fall for 15 years ………. Oops I forgot its called climate change now isn’t it.

[convert]

Shall we have a look at my post from the 18th October:-

 

Looks like it's time to buy shares in Damart...

 

 

 

Source http://rt.com/prime-time/2010-10-04/coldest-winter-emergency-measures.html

 

Global Warming

 

Earliest snow fall for 15 years ………. Oops I forgot its called climate change now isn’t it.

 

Maybe the Russkies know more than the IPCC...

[spinac]

Global Warming

 

Earliest snow fall for 15 years ………. Oops I forgot its called climate change now isn’t it.

 

it's still weather. :hihi: http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/ :hihi: (?)

Looks like it's time to buy shares in Damart...

Source http://rt.com/prime-time/2010-10-04/...-measures.html

OMG maybe it's NOT weather after all. Maybe this IS GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE, malky ... From convert's link ...

 

"The change is reportedly connected with the speed of the Gulf Stream, which has shrunk in half in just the last couple of years"

 

See my post 2104 http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6938851&postcount=2104

 

"The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) ... concluded that there is more than a 90 per cent chance that the MOC [Meridional Ocean Circulation or Gulf Stream] will weaken gradually over the 21st century in response to increasing greenhouse gases. "

 

"Some scenarios suggest that with further climate change, the MOC could ‘shut down’. If this were to happen, average temperatures in the UK would drop by about four degrees centigrade."

 

http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=9574626

Edited November 28, 2010 by spinac