Am I still allowed to question climate change?

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Slightly changing the direction of this thread, why did the Met Office predict a "warmer than average winter" when clearly we are seeing record low temperatures and snowfall levels? I guess its impossible to predict the weather accurately, especially under political pressure to predict such nonsense such as "Barbeque summers" and "warmer than average winters." But wait, someone DID predict this weather! Piers Corbyn of Weather Action whom I spoke about a few months ago on this very thread. Yet again he has beaten the government scientists and their computer models at their own game. No wonder farmers and fishermen have subscribed to his long range forecasts instead of looking at the rubbish the state forcaster puts out. And he says its going to get worse........

The Met office seriously needs to up its game.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/8213058/The-man-who-repeatedly-beats-the-Met-Office-at-its-own-game.html

Or perhaps they hedge their bets, by telling us one thing and the government another?

 

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/met-office-in-the-media-04-january-2010/

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GREENPEACE burn 5000 hectares of forest and blame Global Warming:

 

 

 

The worst fire in Israel’s history has been the cause of some embarrassment to Greenpeace and other global warming activists when some uncomfortable facts emerged recently.

 

Late last year Israel’s worst ever forest fire was blazing out of control, destroying homes and releasing untold quantities of Co2 into the atmosphere. Over 5,000 hectares of forest were utterly destroyed, and experts say it will be half a century before the forest gets back to anything like its former state...

 

...Greenpeace lost no time, of course, in pointing the finger squarely at global warming, and issued a press release, demanding Israel abandon construction of a new coal power station, and calling for all comrades to join the “international struggle”:

 

"Greenpeace wishes to emphasize that this fire is a direct expression of the effects of climate change and global warming which threaten us all. Climate change is already here and it is taking a heavy human toll!

 

Israel must take this warning sign seriously and take immediate measures in order to eradicate the effects of climate change. Israel must cancel its plans to construct another coal plant, reduce use of fossil fuels, and realize that we are dealing with an international struggle."

 

However, it didn’t have much to say following an investigation by Israel’s fire service which discovered that the fire was started by a global warming activist at a Rainbow Camp. As the Jerusalem Post reported:

 

"The cause of this particular fire was, sadly enough, the good intentions of a participant in the Rainbow Festival that was being held at the site. For ecological reasons, she burned toilet paper she had used so as not to leave it in nature, and in normal circumstances, that would have been the thing to do. However, due to the strong winds and the unseasonable hot air, the dry grasses caught on fire immediately, and the fire spread in four different directions simultaneously."

 

 

Greenpeace have yet to retract their statement blaming the fire on global warming.

 

 

 

Original article in Jerusalem Post http://www.jpost.com/GreenIsrael/PEOPLEANDTHEENVIRONMENT/Article.aspx?id=195702

Edited March 16, 2011 by convert
not family friendly. corrected that for you, but I thought greenpiss was OK as a word.

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<REMOVED> burn 5000 hectares of forest and blame Global Warming:

 

Original article in Jerusalem Post http://www.jpost.com/GreenIsrael/PEOPLEANDTHEENVIRONMENT/Article.aspx?id=195702

 

Do you have a link to Greenpeace's statement so we can see it has not been retracted?

Edited February 5, 2011 by esme
not family friendly

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More common sense from Paul Hudson over at the BBC; a voice of reason in a (rising) sea of vested pension interests...

 

We're all dooooomed... but not from AGW; from the knee jerk reactions of our inept, green movement focused, politicians.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2011/01/coal-takes-the-strainagain.shtml

 

I agree Coal should play its part in the energy strategy for the UK.

 

I have consistently argued Thatcher's destruction of our Coal industry was short sighted and has cost us billions of pounds in purely economic terms.

 

It would be nice to see the likes of Nigel Lawson admitting this, rather than condemning anti-coal protestors now .... something that is rather galling when he and his friends did far more damage to our industry than any environmental activist has done.

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I agree Coal should play its part in the energy strategy for the UK.

 

I have consistently argued Thatcher's destruction of our Coal industry was short sighted and has cost us billions of pounds in purely economic terms.

 

 

Wow, for once we agree on something.

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I agree Coal should play its part in the energy strategy for the UK.

 

I have consistently argued Thatcher's destruction of our Coal industry was short sighted and has cost us billions of pounds in purely economic terms.

 

It would be nice to see the likes of Nigel Lawson admitting this, rather than condemning anti-coal protestors now .... something that is rather galling when he and his friends did far more damage to our industry than any environmental activist has done.

 

 

 

But burning coal causes CO2 and leads to global warming, so Thatcher must have done us a favour.

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Do you have a link to Greenpeace's statement so we can see it has not been retracted?

 

Sorry, no.

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Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change, report finds

Himalayan glaciers are actually advancing rather than retreating, claims the first major study since a controversial UN report said they would be melted within quarter of a century.

 

States an article in the Telegraph.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8284223/Himalayan-glaciers-not-melting-because-of-climate-change-report-finds.html

 

Researchers have discovered that contrary to popular belief half of the ice flows in the Karakoram range of the mountains are actually growing rather than shrinking.

 

The discovery adds a new twist to the row over whether global warming is causing the world's highest mountain range to lose its ice cover.

 

It further challenges claims made in a 2007 report by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that the glaciers would be gone by 2035.

 

Although the head of the panel Dr Rajendra Pachauri later admitted the claim was an error gleaned from unchecked research, he maintained that global warming was melting the glaciers at "a rapid rate", threatening floods throughout north India.

 

The new study by scientists at the Universities of California and Potsdam has found that half of the glaciers in the Karakoram range, in the northwestern Himlaya, are in fact advancing and that global warming is not the deciding factor in whether a glacier survives or melts.

 

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Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change, report finds

Himalayan glaciers are actually advancing rather than retreating, claims the first major study since a controversial UN report said they would be melted within quarter of a century.

 

States an article in the Telegraph.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8284223/Himalayan-glaciers-not-melting-because-of-climate-change-report-finds.html

 

Here is some other coverage of the same report.

 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Himalayan-glaciers-to-shrink-by-10-pc-by-2100-analysis/Article1-648685.aspx

 

The Telegraph leads with "Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change, report finds Himalayan glaciers are actually advancing rather than retreating, claims the first major study since a controversial UN report said they would be melted within quarter of a century. "

 

According to the Hidustan Times the report says

 

"Himalayan glaciers to shrink by 10 pc by 2100

 

Himalayan glaciers are likely to shrink by 10 per cent by 2100, much slower than in the Alps and other regions, scientists have determined through possibly the most rigorous analysis of global warming effects on glaciers. Alpine glaciers may shrink by as much as 75 per cent by the turn of the century, a team of American and Canadian scientists has said in research published in Nature Geoscience on Monday.

 

But the melting of ice sheets in the Arctic regions of Canada and Russia, Alaska, northern Norway and Antarctica are likely to contribute most to the rise in global sea level of an estimated 12 cm by 2100 because of their large size, the scientists have said.

 

“The surprising finding for me is that the 12 cm rise by 2100 is only from glacier melting…our predictions probably present the lower bound (of sea level rise from ice melting),” Valentina Radic, geophysicist at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver and one of the lead authors told HT.

 

The results are significant because they are based on the use of the multiple models of measurement used today, and so represent the average amount by which glaciers in different parts of the world are likely to shrink by 2100."

 

You would almost think they are talking about different reports wouldn't you?

 

Ironic the Telegraph comes back to highlight a minor mistake in a paragraph of a thousand page report, by running with a headline that says the exact opposite of what the report they are reporting is saying.

 

If only the Telegraph reported the Science with the same integrity as the IPCC.

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‘Himalayan glaciers advancing, despite global warming’

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Himalayan-glaciers-advancing-despite-global-warming/H1-Article1-654581.aspx