MrSmith Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Nobody is talking about 'just a few changes' though are they. Wholesale carbon sequestration plans are being discussed, ideas to seed the ocean with iron, or the air with silver nitride, even ideas like putting a huge mirror into orbit to reflect some sunlight. Couple that with a wholesale shift in energy production to wind, which requires a massive subsidy to be competitive! The 'few changes' you mention have been made over the past decades already, industry is cleaner, transport is cleaner, new planes coming onto the market are cleaner, but the hysteria (for a while) continued to increase. The alternative is to wait until we know for definite at which time it could be too late to act. We should be investing in cleaner energy regardless of a global climate problem; fossil fuels are being depleted and are becoming more expensive, we can’t afford to wait for them to run out before finding an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Clearly there is little point in use doing something on our own, it’s a global problem that as to be dealt with globally. And China are still tackling population growth China certainly know how to control population growth, and with the aid of solar energy:roll: A 64-year-old Hongxiao villager surnamed Shi said not only does the factory discharge waste water into a river, it also spews dense smoke out of a dozen chimneys. "An elementary school and a kindergarten are located less than a kilometre (0.6 mile) from the plant. My house is only about 500 meters (547 yards) from the plant. Many fish died after the factory discharged waste into a small river," Shi said in a phone interview http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8772197/Over-500-villagers-protest-China-factory-pollution.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Gobal Warming Panic Explained, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeX Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Interesting. Skeptic finds he now agrees global warming is real http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111030/ap_on_sc/us_sci_climate_skeptic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The alternative is to wait until we know for definite at which time it could be too late to act. We should be investing in cleaner energy regardless of a global climate problem; fossil fuels are being depleted and are becoming more expensive, we can’t afford to wait for them to run out before finding an alternative. Gas is actually getting cheaper. But I guess that's not common knowledge as it wouldn't help to justify the massive subsidies that wind farms require. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convert Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Interesting. Skeptic finds he now agrees global warming is real http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111030/ap_on_sc/us_sci_climate_skeptic Was he ever really a Skeptic though? Plus, when his colleagues disagree with him, and accuse him of hiding the truth, what are we to believe... The raw data or his graphs... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html ...Prof Judith Curry, who chairs the Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at America’s prestigious Georgia Institute of Technology, said that Prof Muller’s claim that he has proven global warming sceptics wrong was also a ‘huge mistake’, with no scientific basis. Prof Curry is a distinguished climate researcher with more than 30 years experience and the second named co-author of the BEST project’s four research papers... ...In fact, Prof Curry said, the project’s research data show there has been no increase in world temperatures since the end of the Nineties... ...But a report to be published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation includes a graph of world average temperatures over the past ten years, drawn from the BEST project’s data and revealed on its website. This graph shows that the trend of the last decade is absolutely flat, with no increase at all – though the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have carried on rising relentlessly. ‘This is nowhere near what the climate models were predicting,’ Prof Curry said. ‘Whatever it is that’s going on here, it doesn’t look like it’s being dominated by CO2.’... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Gas is actually getting cheaper. But I guess that's not common knowledge as it wouldn't help to justify the massive subsidies that wind farms require. And what about the other fossil fuels, do you expect gas to continue getting cheaper as world population increases. Do you expect them ever to become unaffordable to extract. Why do you think governments want us to move to renewable energy if fossil fuels won’t run out and don’t contribute to global climate change. Why would a government want to give a subsidy to something that is unnecessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 And what about the other fossil fuels, do you expect gas to continue getting cheaper as world population increases. Do you expect them ever to become unaffordable to extract. Why do you think governments want us to move to renewable energy if fossil fuels won’t run out and don’t contribute to global climate change. Why would a government want to give a subsidy to something that is unnecessary? Two new power plants for Yorkshire. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15519272 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeX Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Was he ever really a Skeptic though? Plus, when his colleagues disagree with him, and accuse him of hiding the truth, what are we to believe... The raw data or his graphs... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html True, also this guys credentials can be called into question as it seems who ever backs his research gets the answer they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 And what about the other fossil fuels, do you expect gas to continue getting cheaper as world population increases. I don't think that population and gas prices are directly linked. Supply and demand are important. Supply has just taken a huge jump, demand will probably continue to grow in a linear way. I know it's not inexhaustible, but it's not an immediate crisis. Do you expect them ever to become unaffordable to extract. Why do you think governments want us to move to renewable energy if fossil fuels won’t run out and don’t contribute to global climate change. Hmmm, it wouldn't be anything to do with the short term goal of winning votes would it? And I'm sure there are no MPs with investments in alternative fuel energy suppliers... Why would a government want to give a subsidy to something that is unnecessary? A question people have been asking since governments have existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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