El Cid Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 No, it's difficult for one side to get at the facts, when the other does everything it can to hide and manipulate the raw data to suit it's own agenda. Just one side tells lies, lol, that is not how people behave, all bend the truth to suit their own ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convert Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Just one side tells lies, lol, that is not how people behave, all bend the truth to suit their own ends. You see, that's the problem. These climate 'scientists' refuse to publish their raw data. They are the ones with the grants to perform the research. They do not follow the accepted scientific method, therefore all their work comes into question ? However they keep telling us that the science is settled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 You see, that's the problem. These climate 'scientists' refuse to publish their raw data. Wouldnt that be hundreds/thousands of temperature readings every day/week/month; what would you do with those. The climate scientists are not the ones taking the readings, that will be some jobsworth on a average wage. I dont see your logic as making sense. Readings from satellites, and the mathematically adjusted for the tides, El Niño, Arctic oscillation and La Niña; how is anyone other than an climate expert going to make sense of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Wouldnt that be hundreds/thousands of temperature readings every day/week/month; what would you do with those. The climate scientists are not the ones taking the readings, that will be some jobsworth on a average wage. I dont see your logic as making sense. Readings from satellites, and the mathematically adjusted for the tides, El Niño, Arctic oscillation and La Niña; how is anyone other than an climate expert going to make sense of them? Any computer scientists or somebody with similar training could generate a range plots of global temperature against time if they were granted access to the raw data. I myself have dealt with data sets far larger. It's not even a challenge these days. Edited July 20, 2015 by unbeliever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
convert Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Wouldnt that be hundreds/thousands of temperature readings every day/week/month; what would you do with those. Well, I wouldn't adjust them to fit my agenda, as the climate scientists have been shown to do. As unbeliever says, any scientist with a laptop, and a recent version of Excel (other spreadsheets etc, etc) would be able to produce a plot, and by using some simple linear regression analysis fill some of the voids. If you look at one of my earlier posts you'll see how these so called scientists adjust their data, current data tends to be adjusted upwards, historic data downwards:- all to fabricate the warming trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Well, I wouldn't adjust them to fit my agenda, as the climate scientists have been shown to do. Wouldnt a scientist with data showing there is no such thing as climate change be rich if they can sell it to the press, for millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Wouldnt a scientist with data showing there is no such thing as climate change be rich if they can sell it to the press, for millions. No. They'd be attacked from all sides by the almighty consensus, accused of being in the pay of big oil and hounded out of the academic community. Anyway, it's not a matter of proving it absolutely one way or the other. We want an honest assessment of the uncertainties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 You could always post a link to the original science. You could always link to the raw data... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 It's warming that fast the ice is growing, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/21/arctic_bounces_back_world_returns_to_sea_ice_levels_seen_in_1980s/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 It's warming that fast the ice is growing, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/21/arctic_bounces_back_world_returns_to_sea_ice_levels_seen_in_1980s/ http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ If the sea level is rising, the earth is both getting warmer and ice melting, overall. http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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