unbeliever Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Er, it is. SCIO, SCIRE, SCIVI, SCITUM: Latin third-conjugation verb meaning 'to know'. Hence 'science' should be what is known, facts. Nice to be debating such an educated man, but surely you would concede that the etymology of a word is not the same thing as its current meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Go on, then. You try and define 'science' for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Go on, then. You try and define 'science' for us. I assume you're talking to me? Modern science is the application of the scientific method. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Go on, then. You try and define 'science' for us. A never ending quest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I assume you're talking to me? Modern science is the application of the scientific method. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method So it's self-referential, is it, and indefinable otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 So it's self-referential, is it, and indefinable otherwise? No. The scientific method defines science. Not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 No. The scientific method defines science. Not the other way around. But your Wikipaedia source says this: The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry is commonly based on empirical or measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning. It's therefore clear that science in those terms means no more than what is currently thought- subject to constant amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbeliever Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 But your Wikipaedia source says this: The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry is commonly based on empirical or measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning. It's therefore clear that science in those terms means no more than what is currently thought- subject to constant amendment. It is indeed subject to amendment. But it may be amended only using the scientific method. If we take for example the introduction of Einsteinian gravity replacing Newtonian gravity, it was because Einstein's hypothesis made falsifiable predictions different from Newton's and when tested through experiment, it was found that Einstein's model was correct. Newtonian gravity is an accurate approximation to Einsteinian under most real world conditions. Take also the recent Higgs boson discovery. The results of the LHC experiments were accepted because there was a 0.0006% chance of getting the results they did if it didn't exist. A falsifiable prediction was made, different from the non-Higgs prediction which turned out to be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The new analysis of buoy and satellite data shows that ocean temperatures have increased steadily since the 1990s. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38513740 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The new analysis of buoy and satellite data shows that ocean temperatures have increased steadily since the 1990s. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38513740 Yes, that what it claims- until it in turn is proven incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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