Am I still allowed to question climate change?

[Wildcat]

Looks like the BBC is being investigated for scientific bias as well.

 

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/58072,news-comment,news-politics,starter-for-ten-is-bbc-science-too-one-sided

 

The review is worthwhile, they like the rest of the press present political views on climate change as equal to scientific ones, when they are two different things and should be kept seperate. The Science on global warming, MMR etc. was and is clear, but they help pander to people's ignorance by their need to put an opposing view even where that view is not supported by the science.

[Wildcat]

From 20 March 2000

 

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past

 

lol

 

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

 

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

 

another lol

 

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

 

and finally...

 

The chances are certainly now stacked against the sortof heavy snowfall in cities that inspired Impressionist painters, such as Sisley, and the 19th century poet laureate Robert Bridges, who wrote in "London Snow" of it, "stealthily and perpetually settling and loosely lying".

 

lol

 

When I first came to Sheffield weather like it has been so far this year was an annual event, not one we had to wait for an arctic oscillation to precipitate.

[Wildcat]

I don't see why that should make you disbelive in the science?

 

As for investment in public transport, I agree.. this should be a priority for any government because it is an essential part of the infrastructure without even needing to get in to debates about climate change.

 

So is it not playing in to the hands of the doubters (like myself) not to do this.

 

No it is not. It says something about the political will of the Government, nothing about the science.

[BasilRathbon]

When I first came to Sheffield weather like it has been so far this year was an annual event, not one we had to wait for an arctic oscillation to precipitate.

 

Arctic oscillation - what on earth is that? Sounds more like a 1970s prog rock band.

[Wildcat]

Seems the The Times has got slapped wrists for selective stance on Global warming.

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/times_asa_wrong/

 

Ironically the register article is far more inaccurate. The point the Times should have been making was that 2009 was the first year that Commercial shipping was able to use the Northern Sea Route without icebreakers.

 

As European Space agency explains it:

 

"Data gathered this year revealed that the Northern Sea Route, also known as the Northeast Passage, and the Northwest Passage were both open simultaneously for the first time since satellite measurements began," the ESA said today.

 

http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/news/chiefeditor/2008/12/space-radar-helps-shipping-dod.html

 

Making the Register completely wrong when stating:

 

With the climate cooling, the route is less accessible than it was in warmer times.

[Wildcat]

Arctic oscillation - what on earth is that? Sounds more like a 1970s prog rock band.

 

It does rather

 

I mentioned it yesterday here:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5799184&postcount=882

[JIbbo]

Ironically the register article is far more inaccurate. The point the Times should have been making was that 2009 was the first year that Commercial shipping was able to use the Northern Sea Route without icebreakers.

 

As European Space agency explains it:

 

 

 

http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/news/chiefeditor/2008/12/space-radar-helps-shipping-dod.html

 

Making the Register completely wrong when stating:

 

How about when it was navigable many years previously ?

 

In fact, the North East Passage opened in 1934, and was opened to overseas traffic after the fall of the Soviet Union. Modern technology, specifically radar, has permitted a safer passage in recent years.

 

Radar & GPS has , made it safer, not global warming. thats why ice breakers were needed previously - no real time tracking of ice flows was available as their is now.

[Wildcat]

How about when it was navigable many years previously ?

 

In fact, the North East Passage opened in 1934, and was opened to overseas traffic after the fall of the Soviet Union. Modern technology, specifically radar, has permitted a safer passage in recent years.

 

Radar & GPS has , made it safer, not global warming. thats why ice breakers were needed previously - no real time tracking of ice flows was available as their is now.

 

It was the fall of the Soviet Union that closed the passage because there was no longer the coordinated political will to keep it open.

 

It was previously kept open with Ice breakers. As the European Space Agency put it:

 

"Data gathered this year revealed that the Northern Sea Route, also known as the Northeast Passage, and the Northwest Passage were both open simultaneously for the first time since satellite measurements began," the ESA said today.

[JIbbo]

It was the fall of the Soviet Union that closed the passage because there was no longer the coordinated political will to keep it open.

 

It was previously kept open with Ice breakers. As the European Space Agency put it:

 

Due to data gathered by satellites..............

 

They might both have been open previously in the 1930' etc but the exact mapping and navigation required using GPS wasn't available.

[Wildcat]

Due to data gathered by satellites..............

 

They might both have been open previously in the 1930' etc but the exact mapping and navigation required using GPS wasn't available.

 

Considering the need for icebreakers back then, it is not just a matter of GPS or mapping. The major factor was the political will to keep the passage open. Something that is easier and more economical now, with global warming and with technological advancements.