RonJeremy Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 yes he would also be my choice for that very reason. not quite a michael foot but pretty close. Or even John Smith. Unelectable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Or even John Smith. Unelectable. Unlike Foot and the Welsh Windbag, Smith might well have been electable and beaten Major in 97 - after Black Wednesday in 92 the Tories trailed Labour in the polls by over 10% despite such vital and popular initiatives as the traffic cones hotline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cones_Hotline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoatwobbler Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Or even John Smith. Unelectable. John Smith would have almost certainly beaten the Tories in 1997, although it certainly wouldn't have been by a 179 seat landslide. One of the problems with today's politics is that you've got the Blairite wing of Labour who think it's still 1995 on the one hand, and the Tories on the other, still pretending that the 90's never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Terrible mess for them. The reason for abstaining, if they are honest, is because it was a pretty clever and well-assembled budget that included a few Labour pre-election pledges. Opposing it for the same of opposing it would be stupid. Labour simply failed to clearly articulate that they actually support quite a lot of what Osborne is going to do. Therein lies the problem and we couldn't have seen it more clearly under Miliband - Labour can't connect or communicate with the electorate any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 They're also too pig-headed to actually agree with the Torys for once. You saw it in the previous 5 years as well, they default stance was against anything the government put forward, but lacked any kind of thought process. They never once put forward a credible alternative option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Has abstaining from the leadership candidates backfired? Jeremy Corbyn leads poll http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33619645 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 He's the only one to have shown he's got a spine so far, I'd bet thats why he's leading the polls. It was a clever move IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Has abstaining from the leadership candidates backfired? Jeremy Corbyn leads poll http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33619645 We all know how accurate political polls are don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Let's hope jezza Corbin gets the leadership. Some might say that this guarantees a Conservative victory in 2020. Others say that Labour will lose regardless. Boundary reforms will only make Labour's task even harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummonds Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Some might say that this guarantees a Conservative victory in 2020. Others say that Labour will lose regardless. Boundary reforms will only make Labour's task even harder. but then there is getting beaten like they did in england or getting beaten like they did in scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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