Margarita Ma Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) 1. Everyone born in this country is issued with a National health Number. Fact. 2. Everyone born and the birth Registered in this country has been issued with a birth certificate. Fact. 3. Everyone registering for work, and benefits, is issued with a National insurance Number.Fact 4. Everyone who has ever paid tax has a Taxation ID. Fact. We do not need a further means of ID for British Nationals, it is a red herring Some people have passports. Not all. Fact. Some People coming to this country have genuine Passports: Some People have false Passports; some people are brought into the country by "Agents",, traffickers who have obtained passports for them, get travel tickets and even accompany them(who knows what else they are bringing into the country) then they dump them outside the immigration centre in Croydon, tell them to wait in the queue While they go to get them something to eat and quietly disappear taking the passports with them to repeat the process. The hapless immigrant has paid money in good faith to get this service and then has to go through the harrowing process of Assylum claim on their own, often without speaking a word of English. At the mercy of an unqualified Spracab Language assessor who may be from a different tribe asks them which tribe they are from(which they are not allowed to do, but the newcomer does not know this) and says they are telling lies. this drags out the process for years costing more money for the UK and anguish for the Assylum seeker. The people trying to get through on lorries and through the tunnel are quite different. They have passed through other countries where they can claim asylum but chose not to, have evaded border checks and sometimes escaped camps where they were given decent treatment food clothing etc. but evaded the biometric ID process. They are now threatening drivers with knives and guns, trying to jump trains and terrifying bone fide travellers generally causing havoc and serious danger, in addition to delaying food lorries causing food to rot in transit drivers to lose sleep so that they are a danger on the road and businesses to be fined for having illegal immigrants on their damaged lorries when they could do nothing to prevent them. They clearly have no respect for other people or the law. These are not genuine asylum seekers they are now terrorists even if they were not before they are now. Edited August 5, 2015 by Margarita Ma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintPlumbing Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 'Over populated'? what does that even mean? If we were, for the sake of argument to use the 17 million self sustaining figure as a bastardised version of a max population figure then the number of potential migrants -which is?- added to the 50 million 'over population' I'm not sure we'd actually notice any real difference. The arguments for refusing migration into a country that has been invaded and migrated into and settled and resettled and re-invaded since the place was discovered more than a million years ago are very poor. Especially if they revolve around; 'we cant fit you in', even though the population density is on average 250 people/km square. 'It's our country' when 'we' clearly are very temporary occupiers. 'We can't afford to keep you' when we're the 9th richest country in the world To fill (an area, for example) with excessive population to the detriment of the inhabitants, resources, or environment. Having too much debt isn't a good reason to take on more debt, but it is a good reason to stop spending more than you can afford to spend. Being too fat isn't a good reason to get fatter, but it is a good reason to do something to correct that problem. Being overpopulated isn't a good reason to become even more overpopulated, but it is a good reason to take measures to correct that situation. Since you believe we are the descendants of invaders from other countries, I assume you would have no problems with use taking back the countries that our ancestors left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 To fill (an area, for example) with excessive population to the detriment of the inhabitants, resources, or environment. Having too much debt isn't a good reason to take on more debt, but it is a good reason to stop spending more than you can afford to spend. Being too fat isn't a good reason to get fatter, but it is a good reason to do something to correct that problem. Being overpopulated isn't a good reason to become even more overpopulated, but it is a good reason to take measures to correct that situation. Since you believe we are the descendants of invaders from other countries, I assume you would have no problems with use taking back the countries that our ancestors left. Invaders and immigrants. Where do you think we came from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Since you believe we are the descendants of invaders from other countries I refer you to this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/This-Sceptred-Isle-55BC-1901/dp/0563383844/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 Starting with the Romans, we were invaded by countless tribes and armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hots on Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Invaders and immigrants. Where do you think we came from? What does it even matter? we live in the here and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly10 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 What does it even matter? we live in the here and now. It doesn't matter and in any case most of the British people are not descendants of immigrants or invaders, they are in fact the descendants hunter gatherers who arrived here between 7,500 and 15,000 years ago, after the melting of the ice caps but before the land broke away from the mainland and divided into islands and long before it became a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 It doesn't matter and in any case most of the British people are not descendants of immigrants or invaders, they are in fact the descendants hunter gatherers who arrived here between 7,500 and 15,000 years ago, after the melting of the ice caps but before the land broke away from the mainland and divided into islands and long before it became a nation. Not true. Not a good start really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Hello Molly - welcome to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly10 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Not true. Not a good start really. Stephen Oppenheimer, a British paediatrician, geneticist, and writer, member of Green Templeton College, Oxford and an honorary fellow of Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, disagrees with you. ---------- Post added 05-08-2015 at 11:39 ---------- Hello Molly - welcome to the forum. Thank you for the warm welcome RonJeremy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Stephen Oppenheimer, a British paediatrician, geneticist, and writer, member of Green Templeton College, Oxford and an honorary fellow of Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, disagrees with you. ---------- Post added 05-08-2015 at 11:39 ---------- Thank you for the warm welcome RonJeremy. It would be helpful if you provided a link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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